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<0> vexati0n: best way to learn linux
<1> yeah. but like I said, i have an mcse so i'm 50% end user lol
<2> vexati0n, one thing if you don't know it google.com/linux will help you more than just google.com
<3> what's good music to code to? alternatively, can anyone recommend some good electronica?
<4> wow
<5> MikeSee_MX3: try adding -V in there
<1> if i'm writing code, i'm listening to opeth.
<6> nile: Boards of Canada
<0> nile: well, personally, techno/trance is what I enjoy, most of the time
<0> nile: or some good rock
<1> but i'm usually listening to opeth anyway
<4> it took like 24 hours for my slackware to download and install all the upgrades
<6> i can't listen to music with alot of words when coding
<4> and then lots of stuff broke :(
<4> mainly because of the compiler difference
<4> so now I'm stuck mucking around in commandline mode
<4> waiting for my kernel to finish compiling
<5> i live in commandline mode
<7> vexati0n: I fell NIN gives me better coding results
<5> links, xchat-text, life is good
<3> [F], I picked up "Music has the right to children" recently. it's awesome
<4> yes well, openGL doesn't exactly rock in framebuffer
<6> nile: :)
<4> xchat-text ?
<5> yeah
<4> hhmm
<2> AfterDeath, I bet you see images in binary too!
<5> ::)
<1> penguin****ers: maybe. depends on what album.
<5> no, dfbsee
<4> AfterDeath: do you use twin ?
<5> never heard of it
<3> xchat-text? why not irssi or bitchx or something?
<4> its a CLI window manager
<4> pretty cool
<8> console mode is only practical if you do everything fullscreen
<5> nice
<5> will check it out
<0> cli windowmanager? wtf?
<4> it lets you have windows (mainly terminals) in CLI
<0> no, screen
<0> :)
<0> yea, screen is awsome
<4> ncurses style
<4> meh
<0> oh?
<7> vexati0n: do you listen to music at work?
<0> whats it called?
<4> it's called twin
<0> hmm
<0> maybe I'll take a look
<1> penguin****ers: when i'm driving, yeah
<7> i do both
<1> i can't carry my ghettoblaster into the law firm clients tho.
<8> am I the only one who saw that as 'T win' instead of 'twin'
<0> TragicZ: I use something called screen. lets you have multiple terminals, and actually disconnect from the session, and reconnect
<4> i know
<4> i'm not a big fan of screen
<0> ah, ok
<4> too slow
<5> so i modified my linux keymaps
<9> Screen is _slow_ ?
<0> on occasion
<5> and my inittab
<4> ah
<4> i knew i'd get some reactions from that
<0> if you have _alot_ of terminals in the same session
<2> Ok so at least I can save one file at a time to floppy but basically have to reboot after each file to do anything further with any of them. After saving a new file to floppy can only see that one but can't open it again after closing unless I reboot. Does that seem strange?
<4> it's the refresh rate
<4> i dunno
<5> added a bunch of gettys to inittab
<4> i've never had good experiences with screen
<9> Odd - I've never found a perceptible delay - even on 486/75
<5> now i have ctrl+alt+shift+f12 = /dev/tty24
<5> :-D
<9> when it's not been swapping
<0> TragicZ: hm...what connection were you using screen over? serial? or the actual system console?
<4> Drizzt321: i think it was vte heh
<8> twin looks pointless
<8> why bother with text-mode if you need the mouse?
<0> TragicZ: heh, and you wonder why it was slow
<0> :P
<4> i didn't wonder
<4> i lamented the fact that it was slow
<4> taking so much time to compile
<2> I don't remember these floppy problems with Mac or even Windwoes for that matter other than not being able to take a PC disc to Mac without a trans-mac program.
<3> for anyone interesting in Twin, I found a linux magazine article on it: http://www.linux-magazine.com/issue/38/Twin.pdf
<5> nile: i found something easier - emerge -a twin
<4> gentoo bastard
<5> no pun intended
<5> gentoo rules
<3> AfterDeath, that doesn't really tell you how to use it or what it looks like
<4> i'm writing a script frontend for pkgsrc
<3> besides, it's faster to download a pdf that to compile a program ;)
<5> nile: no, thats what man twin is for
<4> which essentially gives some functionality of gentoo on pretty much any POSIX system
<2> I'm also trying to get my usb zip disc working but one problem at a time. I did manage to get t he second partition of my usb hard drive to show up while trying to make zip work!
<8> AfterDeath: Gentoo ****s-- it just ****s least of all OS
<5> anywavedave: usually, usb stuff shows up as /dev/sd{a,b,c,d}{1...}
<2> I also got my flash memory reader going too just by sheer guessing as to whether hdd sda sde etc... Turns out to be sde1 on my machine.
<8> anywavedave: dmesg is nice
<5> dmesg|tail is nicer
<2> dmesg is what?
<8> ...
<5> dump kernel messages
<8> tells you useful stuff
<5> anything that kernel 'says', dmesg tells you about
<2> I get the impression it shows what devices you have.
<5> in part
<5> lspci -vvv does that too
<8> dmesg will tell you the nasty details of a kernel panic ;)
<5> dmesg tells you anything the kernel wants you to know
<8> or an oops anyway
<4> lspci -n is more google friendly :)
<8> lspci won't say what /dev entry it is
<8> nor will lsusb
<4> Luke-Jr: that's what you grep /var/log/messages for
<8> or grep dmesg
<4> OMFG
<4> the reason ndiswrapper wouldn't compile was because i need to upgrade gcc >.<
<8> ndiswrapper is stupid and evil
<8> and should be killed
<0> lol
<5> ndiswrapper is for people who screwed up when they were shopping
<4> Luke-Jr: why?
<4> ndiswrapper is for people who don't have a choice
<0> thats why I made sure to get a linux compatable wireless 802.11g card
<8> it allows people to use immoral drivers
<4> i got the card before i started using windows
<2> AfterDeath, Ok dmesg'd and got floppy0: disk absent or changed during operation Any ideas what that means?
<4> er
<4> i mean linux
<8> and only x86 people
<4> and wlan-ng is fscked up
<8> anywavedave: that means you ejected a floppy when it was in use and now it is corrupt
<4> hasn't been updated in a long time
<5> um, check wether you have a floppy disk in there, and see if it is mounted
<1> this is why i like my ipw2200.
<0> TragicZ: try using a card supported by madwifi project
<0> works like a charm, with a boatload of features
<8> Drizzt321: IIRC, madwifi isn't much better
<4> hahaha
<0> Luke-Jr: well, so far I've had good success with it
<4> madwifi-ng is about as stable as charles manson
<4> i liked the original madwifi stuff better
<4> admittedly the psudo devices are nice, if not anoying.
<4> alright, i gotta restart, new kernel and all
<2> AfterDeath, How do I know when the floppy is done? I didn't hear it clicking away or have any progress meter, no file saved dialogue.
<8> stable is not all of good
<10> what sort of things should go in /lib/udev ?
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