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<PeterFA> How do I make a link to a non fs object?
<PeterFA> cn28h, copy a large file to that symlink.
<PeterFA> Let's see what happens.
<Triffid_Hunter> martian67: its specifically a special file who's contents name another filehandle to look at when its referenced
<cn28h> hm lol
<PeterFA> Got an ISO handy?
<cn28h> /dev/urandom
<PeterFA> YEah
<PeterFA> there you go
<Triffid_Hunter> the file it points at doesn't necessarily have to exist or be understood
<cvncpu> cat /dev/urandom >> /dev/dsp
<cn28h> heheh
<martian67> cvncpu, thats ugly :(
<excelblue> what does it usually mean when your system just freezes out of the blue?
<Triffid_Hunter> cvncpu: wouldn't that give a seek error?
<martian67> yea
<cvncpu> Triffid_Hunter: try it, it works here
<excelblue> video card overheat?
<martian67> incorrect headers
<antiPoP> hi people,
<Triffid_Hunter> excelblue: almost always a hardware fault, often overheating
<antiPoP> Does anybody knows how can I the IP ***igned rages of an organisation through the ripe DB???
<antiPoP> for example, the IPs of the as700 ??
<PeterFA> The GPL v3 draft explicitly states that DRM and any malware isn't protected?
<Triffid_Hunter> excelblue: can occasionally be something specific, find a way to induce it and you've found a bug
<Villain`> I know this isn't directly linux related, but it sort of is,
<Villain`> does anyone own an Ipod Nano/
<Ayoze> hi all
<Triffid_Hunter> Villain`: no, i have a couple friends with various ipods though
<martian67> PeterFA, not that
<Villain`> hrm darns..
<martian67> its states that anything that is under GPL cannot be legally considered DRM
<PeterFA> martian67, then what?
<Triffid_Hunter> Villain`: why? i don't think anything is particular to any model in linux
<Villain`> well the problem is its detected on fedora as a usb m*** storage device and i have folder views
<Villain`> unfortunetly the folders with songs ..
<martian67> and therefor you cannot be sued under DRM legislation for using it
<Ayoze> I've compiled a kernel module (spca5xx) for my PDA (nokia 770), it's loaded without problems, but when trying to access the device with spcaview for example, to make a test... the PDA simply hangs... anybody knows what could be happening?
<Villain`> the songs have been renamed by Nano
<Villain`> to combos of 4 letters
<martian67> *cracking it
<PeterFA> martian67, there's DRM legislation?
<Villain`> and i dont know if i can just empty/remove these folders
<Triffid_Hunter> Villain`: yep that's normal. you need gtkpod or another program to interface to the ipod's system
<Villain`> or put my own songs on etc
<Villain`> Oo
<Villain`> icic
<Villain`> thank you
<martian67> PeterFA, framilliar with DMCA?
<Triffid_Hunter> Villain`: apple decided to not put raw filenames on, but instead hashes plus some form of database
<martian67> basicly it sais you are not allowed to "curcumvent technological content protection schemes"
<Villain`> oh
<Triffid_Hunter> Villain`: all ipods use the same system btw ;)
<overseer> ...if you live in a certain country
<martian67> so the gpl sais nothing under it can be considered a "technological content protection schemes"
<Villain`> so just adding music files wouldn't work right? lol
<PeterFA> martian67, somewhat.
<Sneaky_Bastard> it has a clause "reverse engineering is allowed for purposes of interoperability"
<Triffid_Hunter> Villain`: and be aware that if you put stuff on, and then connect it to itunes, itunes will wipe your ipod clean
<Sneaky_Bastard> did you know that ?
<Sneaky_Bastard> people who have not read the DMCA shouldn't talk about what it says :p
<Triffid_Hunter> Villain`: you can add arbitrary files as with any disk, but you won't be able to play them on the ipod.
<martian67> Sneaky_Bastard, yes i did
<Villain`> oh
<PeterFA> martian67, so you cannot write a program that circumvents DRM and put it under the GPL v3?
<martian67> PeterFA,
<martian67> you are missing the point
<Triffid_Hunter> Villain`: friend of mine uses his 60gb ipod photo to transport movies around.. its also significantly faster than his laptop hard drive
<PeterFA> martian67, yeah, maybe.
<martian67> PeterFA, basicly if you have a DRM program
<martian67> and its GPLv4d
<martian67> *v3d
<martian67> and somone cracks it
<Villain`> hm
<martian67> you cannot sue them
<martian67> under the DMCA
<PeterFA> martian67, ok
<martian67> *they cannot go to jail
<martian67> its a criminal not a civil change
<martian67> *charge
<PeterFA> martian67, so you can make DRM but if someone cracks it your just SOL.
<martian67> PeterFA,
<martian67> yes
<martian67> it prevents people from taking open source code
<PeterFA> ok
<martian67> DRMing it
<martian67> and sueing anyone
<martian67> that attempts to modify it
<Sergonium> i am dead ***y
<PeterFA> How do you DRM Open Source code?
<theblue> Very carefully.
<excelblue> modify it...
<martian67> PeterFA, make minor modifcations
<martian67> that you can claim
<martian67> consitiute a "technological content protection schemes"
<martian67> *they consititute
<Ayoze> I've compiled a kernel module (spca5xx) for my PDA (nokia 770), it's loaded without problems, but when trying to access the device with spcaview for example, to make a test... the PDA simply hangs... anybody knows what could be happening?
<Sergonium> move to china
<overseer> Ayoze: get a serial port and see what the kernel is puking when it crashes
<Ayoze> overseer: the PDA does not have serial port...
<overseer> Ayoze: somewhere inside it, I'll bet there's a header for connecting a serial port
<Ayoze> well, I won't open the device..
<martian67> Ayoze, then you may be SOL
<overseer> Ayoze: what compelled you to compile your own driver?
<Ayoze> overseer: that's not my own driver, is the spca5xx webcam driver
<meneg> does anyone know how to limit an application's cpu usage that gets 100% when not having access to the application's source?
<overseer> Ayoze: is that the built-in camera on the device, or a usb-attached thing?
<Ayoze> a usb cammera
<Ayoze> but that works without problems on my pc
<overseer> Ayoze: is there a nokia 770 simulator ?
<ananke> meneg : you can't. you can use nice/renice, but you can't limit how 'much' of a cpu it gets
<Ayoze> a scratchbox to compile inside it
<overseer> Ayoze: ?
<ananke> meneg : man renice
<meneg> nice doesn't help my purpose
<meneg> I want it to sleep in its loop somehow
<overseer> meneg: run it inside a xen domain and limit the cpu the domain gets
<meneg> i recall a patch in the kernel that could do it
<Ayoze> overseer: there are some toolchains inside a scratchbox, so you can compile applications for the real device.
<meneg> but i have no idea if some patch like that exists now
<meneg> overseer: xen domain?
<overseer> Ayoze: that's not a simulator, that's a binary toolchain. have you looked for a simulator?
<Ayoze> what do you mean with 'simulator'
<overseer> Ayoze: is there a working netdump service on the device?
<Sergonium> a thing that simulates
<Ayoze> overseer: dont think so
<overseer> Ayoze: simulator = a piece of software that emulates the functionality of the device in all ways, except its physical manifestation.
<overseer> Ayoze: don't think so <what> ?
<Ayoze> well, I only can run the applications, and see the way it works in a X server
<Sneaky_Bastard> no, that's an "emulator"
<Sneaky_Bastard> well, the normal usage is "emulator" if it duplicates the system in real time
<Sneaky_Bastard> and "simulator" if not
<overseer> Ayoze: is there a working netdump facility ?
<Sneaky_Bastard> nothing "pedantic" about trying to get technical terminology used correctly
<Sneaky_Bastard> too much confusion results when it is not
<Ayoze> overseer: no
<ananke> meneg : uhmm, you can send sigstop to it
<ananke> ahh, that.
<meneg> sigstop?
<meneg> i want it to run at least below 80%, but to run
<stylish> do you know how lucky we are to have the english language
<overseer> Ayoze: is there a developers channel for the 770 ?
<Ayoze> overseer: yes, I'm a developer too
<martian67> meneg, why not just re-nice it?
<Ayoze> but I'm not specialist in kernel stuff
<overseer> Ayoze: why are you asking us then, if there's a developers channel?
<darkfrog> my /etc/mtab is showing "/dev/hda3 / ext3" when it should be "/dev/hde3 / ext3"...what is it that keeps making it say this and how do I fix it?
<meneg> nice doesn't help it somehow, i need it to just run in 30 or 40 or sth cpu
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