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<0> isn't that just something like a program which is required by another to run?
<1> while in getnoo/debian i almost never met them
<0> or am i wrong..
<1> Villain`: you are right
<0> >< sweetzors i'm teh good guesser lol
<2> lol jrhodes i was hankering for use flags a long time before I even knew gentoo existed unfortunately
<1> Villain`: but gentoo, debian and several others install those p[rograms for you
<3> slackware aklos has a networked binary install layer
<3> swaret
<3> it works like a charm
<1> slpyhd: last time i checked the devs were to lazy to even pacgae it correctly
<3> but you can mix stuff how you want
<1> *package
<3> hehe
<3> I used it only a few times when I was lazy myself
<3> it's good enough fr the critical ****
<1> slpyhd: and i never figured out how can spapt-get install k3b without having things such as x11, kde.... installed
<1> s/spapt/slapt/
<2> redduck666: what would you do with k3b without x?
<3> hehe
<3> or kde
<1> Triffid_Hunter: well after being on gentoo i decidedto give slack another shot
<1> Triffid_Hunter: i installed bare bone system
<1> Triffid_Hunter: and than installed slapt-get
<1> in a hope that it will install everything i need
<1> just like emrge k3b did
<1> but it didn`t
<1> :?
<0> redduck666: is their a distribution you can recommend to learn how to use "linux" and program at the same time?
<2> heh
<0> I was kinda hoping to take up my first language as well, maybe C
<3> hello world
<1> Villain`: as far as installation goes imo gentoo teaches you WAY more than slackware does
<2> Villain`: i'd say gentoo for sure.. i think its the most educational distro, and the very way that it works ensures that your build chain is complete at all times
<3> if you want quick useable results better start with something else
<1> Villain`: as for the packages slack (imo) taches you more than gentoo
<2> hehe if you edit use flags the way i do, you learn a lot about dependencies ;)
<3> I agree with redduck666
<3> to top slack use LFS
<0> hm well i've installed slack for a friend in the past no issues .. but when i got to the desktop i was lost, lol
<0> and his net connection wasn't detected so i couldn;t get help
<3> but you need some freetime for that
<3> it comes with howtos
<1> Triffid_Hunter: with use flags you learn about dependecies?
<3> and manpages
<3> that should get your net up
<1> Triffid_Hunter: with foo -bar flags emerge --newuse recompiles things
<0> hrm well i didn't know they were :( lol
<0> i've never used the command line before, he just had questions about partitioning etc
<1> Triffid_Hunter: and how do you get to know what requires what in that process?
<1> Villain`: once you boot in slack you need to execute 'startx'
<3> I think the first email mentions them
<2> redduck666: use flags change them.. so i always emerge -avt whatever, cancel if it doesn't look right, look up use flags, change until i'm happy with the flags and the dependency tree, then let it install
<0> redduck666 i made it to the gui :D
<3> and how to read mail is told by the installer
<0> we had fluxbox or w/e
<0> but then i was lost lol, didn't know how to access anything like docs etc
<3> the other thing you need to know is the arrow keys and ctrl c
<3> thats enough to get you started
<3> and less
<3> man less
<1> Villain`: open terminal and type man <command> to get man page from that command
<2> i love how gentoo comes with pgup and pgdn bound to history search in bash by default.. i miss that whenever i use other distros, often gank my inputrc from a gentoo box
<0> what if you don't know any commands lol
<1> Triffid_Hunter: by 'look up use flags' you mean you check ebuild?
<0> I have the same barebone as him besides seperate cd drives/hard drives and his onboard NIC wasn;t detected
<2> Villain`: apropos can help there i think.. never used it myself though
<0> so i have a feeling i'll be without the internet by default to
<0> ic
<1> Villain`: hehe, slackware program/script didn`t detect correctly my nic either
<1> :(
<0> lol i don't mind that it has "mild hardware support", because from what i've read it is for people already comfortable in the command line
<0> I'm just trying to find the knowledge to go install it, and be able to get net working, from there i'd be golden with google :D
<1> Villain`: i would GREATLY reccomand to have live cd near you
<1> knoppix saved my *** CRAPLOAD of times
<0> Oh I read about those >< complete distributions that don't need to be installed lol
<0> sounds sweet ^^
<1> yeah
<1> it is sweet
<0> would/could it be smart to learn with a live distribution? or would it be smarter to install something to the hdd
<1> depends
<1> i have a live cd
<4> printing = cups
<4> printcap = cups
<4> printcap name = cups
<4> printcap cache time = 750
<4> cups options = raw
<4> disable spoolss = no
<2> Villain`: you can try booting knoppix.. if you get net with that, you can easily install gentoo from there
<1> when i couldn`t get internet to work in debian i booted in live cd and asked for support
<2> you'll also have a gui & browser for looking things up in google
<0> Oo ***.
<1> the same when i couldn`t get gui on gentoo
<1> just boot in live cd
<0> is it possible, say if i need to edit a ... text file or something while on the live cd
<0> can i edit them while on the live cd? or do i have to take it out, get on distro etc
<4> load printer = yes
<2> Villain`: yep just mount your drive somewhere and edit away
<4> ups sorry wrong channel
<2> Villain`: you can even enter the os on the drive with chroot.. this process is part of a normal gentoo install by the way :)
<0> Oo
<0> Linux sounds like a powerful ***or :)
<0> and I haven't even installed anything yet lol
<5> don't worry, soon enough you'll hate it like the rest of us
<2> hehe linux lets you do pretty much whatever you want
<1> lol
<2> although some distributions make it harder than others
<0> my programmer friend has that logic :p
<0> he programs in c++, yet hates it lol
<0> i think he means the frustration it can give while at the time same, the power it offers etc
<0> still entertaining :)
<0> I'm going to download gentoo/slack/frugal in a sec, i was just wondering if ... i had an issue with one of the distributions and came here to get help
<0> would it generally be the same answer for all of them?
<5> well most of us have used slack or gentoo at one time or another
<1> Villain`: i would suggest installing gentoo from knoppix
<2> Villain`: most distributions have their own channel for help, but you're welcome to ask here
<5> and frugal is pretty much standards-compliant
<5> so yes, we can help you
<1> Villain`: if you decide to install gentoo that is
<5> and ignore redduck666's suggestion and install it normally while reading the handbook.
<5> you can try fancy things later :P
<2> hehe he could always install all of them to different partitions, and share a grub menu
<1> jrhodes: why?
<5> dude, he's new
<5> there's no need to add extra potential for confusion
<6> I've used "defaults write" before, but don't know what it really does/is used for. What is it?
<0> I'm computer literate to some extent :) ol
<1> jrhodes: so in your opinion installing gentoo from knoppix is harder than from gui-less live cd?
<7> I've got a machine at home running X and a machine in work Running X. I'd like to view my desktop at home. I know about VNC, but it's forwarding pixels (and hence slow). Is there anything akin to rdesktop for X, that uses internal protocols ?
<5> it's not harder, it's just different, so things will not match what's in the manual
<1> jrhodes: things like?
<2> having to sudo bash before starting is all i can think of that would be different
<1> Triffid_Hunter: in knoppix 3.4 you can use su
<5> and then if there's a problem, it's difficult for an inexperienced user to tell what caused it: knoppix, or the stage install itself
<1> Triffid_Hunter: and use root
<8> where can i find what return codes the cp command gives back on error? i read the man page but it didnt say. Specially i want to know what -2 means when failing to copy a directory recursively
<2> sb_SKiTZO: might be a code from the underlying system call, whatever that would be
<9> hi.can i extract ace format on linux system ?
<10> ace? not familiar with that one.
<11> taec: http://freenx.berlios.de/
<0> WinAce etc
<0> it's like .zip essentially
<3> probably yes
<0> I tried a little googling, search for RiverAce :O
<8> Triffid_Hunter: when i perform the command manually it works great, but as soon as i try to perform it from a C program using the popen call it fails
<0> http://www.riverace.com/ace-linux.htm
<0> what type of sys requirements are needed to use knoppix to install debian? = /
<0> oops...
<10> buh?
<0> Gnetoo * lo
<10> why would you do such a thing?
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