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<0> we2by - lol
<1> anyone know something like this:? http://www.getdemocracy.com/
<1> but for linux
<2> ie7 might not be so bad. least it will have tabs anyhow
<3> first of all, the GUI of IE7 ****s!
<3> it is not userfriendly at all
<3> I like firefox, it is simple and does the job :)
<1> opera > firefox > IE
<4> not using browsers > *
<3> I do think Opera must be put in there
<3> opera/firefox > ie
<2> can't stand opera myself
<5> * > ie
<5> yeah i'm not a fan of opera either, mainly due to the closed bit. though i think that might change
<5> telnet > ie
<6> for the command "date" how i see AM/PM instead of military time?
<5> man date ? not sure if you can
<7> it's part of the locale
<7> apropos locale
<8> I think that's more like opera > firefox > links > lynx > nc > telnet > IE
<8> oops, yeah. was backscrolled :)
<3> I wanna start learn programming in a cross platform language
<3> and it must be easy like C#
<2> date +%r
<3> or VB
<9> Java, I guess
<2> we2by: java, or python
<2> we2by: or ocaml
<3> nah, I hate java
<2> shinobi2: that date thingy was for you by the way
<3> is ocaml a crossplatform lang?
<2> we2by: yep
<10> we2by, depends how crossplatform you wanna be
<2> we2by: interpreted
<11> shinobi2: change the locale for date/time
<2> well, it can be. you can compile ocmal native too
<8> we2by: Mono is an opensource .NET framework
<12> whats ocmal?
<3> but I heard mono is stilll under developement
<1> too bad mono isnt as easy as the c# express editor
<11> on1009: an object oriented version of the functional language CAML which is a variant of ML
<6> Mathman: thx
<10> we2by, it starts to work pretty well (mono)
<12> oho!
<12> thx Blis***
<3> yea C# express ed is quite good
<3> I was learning C# in it (on windows)
<3> but now I am on linux
<1> makes it so simple to code nice apps
<1> maybe python, I might try it
<10> we2by, C# express is bugged as hell... like VS 2003 was
<1> but it isnt so good for GUI
<10> -2003+2002
<3> C# express is a nice tool
<10> for small hello world maybe
<3> you can get a program running in no time with n ice GUI etc
<2> c# is pretty much fully functionall under mono no? I mean, you won't be able to do the windows guis I spose, but all the language is there, no?
<10> try to play with a real project... you undestand why it's free
<3> I only want to code small programs
<10> Mathman, even more than that, ever heard of Beagle? Muine?
<2> bulio: all the gui stuff I've done has mainly been python. seems pretty easy to me.
<3> Tenem, anything similar like c# express for linux?
<2> Tenem: not sure I follow you.
<10> we2by, "similar" is the word it's called monodevelop, but as far as I've tested it, it doens't work very well yet
<10> Mathman, those applications are developed in C# using mono
<1> Mathman: is it better to learn pyhon+GUI at same time?
<2> Tenem: ah, even more than just the c# language you mean. sure, I know that. gtk# and all that. I'm just saying
<2> bulio: probably not.
<1> what toolkit do you use?
<2> bulio: I dunno. I mean, if guis are your main focus, sure. anyhow, glade makes it pretty easy I figure. just make your app, kinda like you do with vb or whatever. then code the functions that go with whatever actions can happen on your gui.
<2> bulio: gtk
<8> glade is a scary, scary tool. the code it writes shouldn't be taken as gospel, but more of an idea of how to do what you want it to do.
<8> it's like the webmin of programming :b
<10> ;)
<2> infi: glade doesn't write code for python. not that I know of. you just import the xml or whatever and do it that way.
<2> infi: unless the code you're talking about is the xml files glade spits out.
<8> it does for C, which is the only thing I've ever used it for. and it writes poor code while doing so, which is my point.
<8> no, it writes actual C gtk calls, when using it for C.
<2> yeah, I know that. I thought we were talking about python though
<10> isn't there two mode in glade? xml or native code?
<8> I don't dig S&M
<2> Tenem: you got me.
<1> Mathman: so gtk or glade?
<2> bulio: glade is a gtk gui editor.
<8> gtk is the windowing widgets library
<2> bulio: actually though, glade stinks compared to that new one I say. gazpacho. which is the same exact thing, but just with a mdi interface or whatever instead of a bunch of little windows
<3> do u know about realbasic?
<2> we2by: just the name and that's about it on my end.
<3> it is made by Real
<13> any kind of basic programming will mess you up for life. don't do it!
<8> 10 GOSUB KILL_GORPON
<3> it depends, if u need something simple to what u want, why not?
<8> "you"
<3> http://www.realsoftware.com/
<2> hehe, I found myself actually needing to use a few gotos the other day.
<10> we2by, not maintainable, not expressive, ambiguous syntax, hard to compile (late binding), etc...
<3> REALbasic for Linux Standard Edition is FREE.
<3> :)
<3> gad real software is giving out something free
<3> glad*
<2> we2by: actually the kde one would probably be better
<3> what kde one?
<2> kde visual basic thingy
<3> do u mean gambas?
<2> dunno
<2> seems I mean kbasic
<3> it is kbasic
<3> but is for kde only, right?
<2> well, I'm sure it would spit out a kde app, sure. but that doesn't mean you'd only be able to run it under kde.
<10> we2by, actually what do you want to do? what kind of app you plan to write? for who?
<3> I want to code a irc cleint that suits my needs
<10> for which OS?
<2> kbasic site says the apps it spits out run cross platform, windows, osx and linux.
<3> I prefer linux
<10> and why "basic"?
<3> but it will be a + if it can be ported to windows
<3> because I do not want to learn something complecated, programming is not my area
<14> is there an easy wasy to send e-mail using bash or perl?
<15> nail
<8> majikman: foo | mail -s $subject recipient
<2> ah, but kbasic isn't open source I guess. darn. for some reason I was thinking it was.
<8> perl has modules for it.
<14> ah.... thanks
<10> we2by, it's not because it contains the word "basic" that it's simple :p
<14> actually.. i can't useperl... i forgot most of my srevers don't have it... just me
<3> I took their tour
<3> it looks pretty easy, just like VB
<3> and because I had coded in vb before, it woul dbe easy for me
<8> we2by: do you know RFC1459?
<3> hopefully
<10> we2by, everything looks pretty easy from the tour :p
<3> I just fired up realbasic
<8> if you're "not a programmer", that's not a small task.
<3> interface is clean and I feel comfortable
<3> similar to C# express
<10> if it fits your need, that's okay for me ;)
<16> Chea
<17> what's the latest in nntp readers for linux?
<8> telnet newshost 119
<10> ;)
<18> i'm now recognized
<18> yay!
<18> now if only ##linux will recognize me as human
<19> what, your human?
<18> :(
<18> leave me a mean, nasty comment http://ltdink.tk
<18> i spent several hours writing all that PHP code so people can post comments
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