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<0> kde or xfce4
<1> PrimoTurbo: i find gentoo takes longer to set up nicely, but once going well its as snappy as you configure it to be ;)
<2> PrimoTurbo: The only thing that's more optimized than Gentoo is LFS. The problem is that those distros can be a pain to install and configure.
<3> :-X
<4> I see, yeah I think I'm ready to step up from Ubuntu
<4> also anyone have an ATI card with Gentoo?
<1> hehe going from ubuntu to gentoo is like going from windows to linux all over again
<0> can be. if you have patience, and read the install guide, you'll be fine. #gentoo is also extremely helpful.
<0> it's well worth the work.
<1> so's gentoo-wiki.com ;)
<4> So Gentoo 2005.1 Universal install CD should be enough for install?
<4> I wont get some apps and such?
<1> yup
<0> PrimoTurbo: start by reading the install handbook, found on the left side of www.gentoo.org , use that as your starting point. and use 2005.1-r1 not 2005.1.
<0> it will answer these basic questions
<1> gentoo comes with only what you need to install the things you want.. the "base" install is basically just the toolchain and package manager
<5> PrimoTurbo: if you have non-crappy internet connection i`d go with the minimal install cd
<4> yeah downloading 2005.1 now
<0> PrimoTurbo: you want 2005.1-r1 .
<2> I'm too happy with Slackware to look into anything else. :-)
<4> my bad
<4> why r1?
<0> bugfixes, some of them significant
<4> is it stable?
<1> revision 1.. appariently fixes some issues with the 2005.1 cd which i never came across
<0> yeah
<4> okay
<0> the install is just a starting point, with gentoo everything gets updated to the latest anyway later
<0> but there were some pretty nasty bugs on the install cd.
<0> PrimoTurbo: i screwed up my first install heh, consider your first install as an experiment... then you won't be as mad if you screw it up :P
<0> good way to learn stuff, that's for sure.
<4> why is r1 about 400mb why 2005.1 is 600mb?
<4> for universal cd
<0> you're using the universal, the minimal is all you need
<4> I think last time my usb mouse didn't work and I gave up after that
<4> with minimal
<0> this stuff is explained in the handbook though, so, i'm gonna have to refer you to that again (these things are addressed there)
<1> PrimoTurbo: both cds are the same, except universal has the tarballs you need to do the install, whereas you have to download them after boot with minimal
<0> and i'm draggin my laptop to bed with me... too bad it's gonna kill tor when i yank the cord brb
<0> there we go. at least I put the battery back in before yanking the cord (unlike two nights ago... ouch)
<4> I think I'll go with universal, chances are I will mess up and will need to re do it. I would hate to download everything again and again
<1> heh you'd be downloading to the partition you're putting gentoo on, so you'd only need to grab it again if you formatted the partition
<4> For anyone running gentoo can I see your desktop? I know it's all personal but I'm a ****er for desktops :)
<1> PrimoTurbo: j1s i'll find a screeny
<6> hi I'm trying to compile and install ayttm, but I'm getting this error when using configure - *** The gtk-config script installed by GTK could not be found. If GTK was installed in PREFIX, make sure PREFIX/bin is in your path, or set the GTK_CONFIG environment variable to the full path to gtk-config.
<4> Also I recall last time Gentoo didn't select the fastest servers or I picked the wrong one and couldn't change it
<1> http://triffid.funkmunch.net/lucienne-screenshot00.png is a fairly recent one
<4> cool
<4> Is it at all possible to get XGL running on gentoo?
<4> I've done it in Ubuntu already but it's really easy there
<1> dunno.. isn't that still alpha?
<4> something like that
<5> Triffid_Hunter: you are on 1600*1200?
<1> redduck666: yep
<5> Triffid_Hunter: what monitor size if may iask
<1> 19" crt
<5> cool
<4> u have mirc on gentoo or is that just an icon?
<1> i still run out of screen real estate though.. need a 24" at 2048x1536 or something
<1> PrimoTurbo: wine is my friend ;)
<4> so u use mirc in linux?
<1> just on one network.. i use kvirc for others
<1> kvirc is the one you can see
<4> I see
<4> Anyone have an ATI card running Gentoo, how hard is it to install/configure drivers for it?
<1> there's an fglrx ebuild, though i'm told the open source drivers that come with the kernel are better for many situations
<1> anyway, http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_ATI_Drivers
<4> thanks
<4> the drivers that come with gentoo have 3d support?
<4> Can I used fglrx on Ubuntu for that
<1> almost nothing "comes with" gentoo. you install what you need
<4> I see
<4> That's good
<4> is 5gb not including swap enough for gentoo?
<5> PrimoTurbo: some time ago i ran out of space when i put 5gb (swap excluded) / partition for gentoo
<1> it'll be tight if you install lots of stuff, which you will probably end up doing until you get the hang of gentoo
<1> note that you can use the same /home as you use in other distros if you want
<1> and you should use the same /boot if its a separate partition too
<4> alright
<7> true
<8> ncis at the top of the hour on cbs
<9> I'm learning regular expressions and would like to use "*" which represents any length of any text, however, I'm not sure how since * has another meaning, and \* means the * character.
<8> error403 has an excellent taline
<8> tagline
<10> now would cron be able to go under 1 minute? say, 15-20sec or so
<8> no
<1> MizeryDeAria: .*
<8> murr
<1> MizeryDeAria: . is any character, * means zero or more of them
<10> *how
<8> cant be done
<8> 1min min
<10> doh
<8> or
<10> can something besides sleep go under a minute?
<8> write a script with sleep befofe the command you want to do
<8> or usleep()
<11> Quiznos, i do?
<8> hey!
<8> your tagline about confusion
<8> i love that lol
<8> i've seen that for years
<8> and it's always true!
<8> rofl
<9> Triffid_Hunter, thx
<12> Does anyone know off the top of their head how much data (in MB/s) PC100 memory should be able to push?
<13> hey, with lsof, if I grep on a certain program name, or file .. and it lists X times, are there X number of filehandles open for that?
<1> jack|***: hrm.. 100mhz clock, and ***uming 32 bit bus, 400mb/sec?
<1> kinabalu: probably
<12> Triffid_Hunter: yeah, but there's some other mojo that goes into calculating that. At any rate, 77MB/S seems a bit slow.
<13> Triffid_Hunter: heh..
<12> Triffid_Hunter: good book, btw. :)
<1> jack|***: damn.. i get 1035mb/s here, although that's ddr333 dual channeled
<12> Triffid_Hunter: this is pc100 in an old celeron, so it's prolly running at 66mHz
<1> jack|***: probably about right then.. dram can't transfer data on every clock, since you have to precharge the row and column selectors before each burst
<12> yep.
<12> *grumble* I really wish "just get a new ****ing computer" was a solution to this.
<8> well, ncis isnt on -- sorry, tvguide messed
<1> jack|***: it isn't a solution?
<8> kinabalu yes, therer are
<12> Triffid_Hunter: not my computer. :)
<12> Triffid_Hunter: my computer was made in the past half decade.
<1> lol
<13> Quiznos: okie. thanks. thats a lot of files :(
<8> kinabalu how many are opened?
<12> I'm almost ready to try to find enough scrap to build her a "new" computer.
<13> Quiznos: oh, not too many right now, but it was up around 65000
<1> hehe if you can solder capacitors, you'd be amazed how many half decent machines you can resurrect
<1> both my servers came to me free, pronounced dead, with nothing wrong except leaky caps
<8> wow
<12> Triffid_Hunter: yeah, i'm an electrical engineer, i could do that. But it's not worth it on a ghetto machine like this. :)
<1> if it wasn't for powercuts, they'd be at around a year uptime by now
<8> kinabalu cat /proc/sys/fs/file-max
<1> jack|***: it would make a good smoothwall box
<13> Quiznos: yeah, 65000 :)
<12> Triffid_Hunter: Don't need one. :)
<8> that's max too?
<13> Quiznos: yeah, which is why i'm asking .. it went over this morning .. boucning a couple services along the way
<13> Quiznos: now its at 62,277 ...
<8> what is
<13> lsof
<8> and file-max is what?
<13> 65000
<8> stoopit programming, that is
<13> some errant processes i gather ..
<8> you can do, echo 132000 >file-max
<8> wher the number is higher than your current
<8> i dont know if the number expects 16bit or can take a 32bit num tho. so test it
<13> right ... im gonna search aroudn and try to find out why there are so many damn files open
<8> dont bother
<8> it's
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