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<0> since it resembles freebsd's ports very closely
<1> D|G|TAL, was that a complement or an insult?
<2> excelblue: Okay, I see, fun :)
<0> you have packages like FreeBSD does... something doesn't work out nicely? easy... cvsup the PKGBUILDs, edit them to your needs, build your own package with that and then install with pacman
<3> does it have to be either? do you follow Bush?
<0> of course, it's made easier...
<0> eg. the 'abs' script in Arch automates the cvsup, makepkg automates the editing of the Makefile, etc.
<0> other than that, it's very similar to Slackware
<2> cool cool
<2> Do most people with arch rebuild or just use binaries?
<0> I've been a loyal slackware user for a couple years, trying out different distros but always going back, fast...
<0> but this time I try Arch, I don't think I'm going back
<0> most people just use the binaries
<2> ah, okay
<0> they have packages for almost everything, and the binaries they come with are usually very sufficent
<2> I give other distros a try every now and then...on my list I still want to try are slack, arch, sourcemage
<0> as for stuff without prebuilt packages... download the stuff from the AUR and run makepkg, then pacamn
<2> cool
<0> sourcemage seems to have too much "vocabulary"
<2> I like it...it's very gimmicky but I'm a big DND player
<0> I see source-based distros as a waste of time unless customization is quite complete
<4> yeah, binaries are easier
<0> I see arch's makepkg as a system similar to gentoo's emerge, but with the shortcomings fixed
<4> who wants to spend all their time compiling from source code?
<2> I see...I've had no experience with SM, but I like the terminology to the point I want to try it...I want to be able to brag to people that I just cast firefox on my distro, lol
<0> a distro like Arch is rising in popularity now after Gentoo after a few people got tired of Gentoo's compile everything stuff
<2> lo_tek: actually I just rebuilt my entire system in about 15 hours...not as much time as I expected
<0> gentoo is funnier... firefox emerged on my system... no, it's not possible... seriously, it just did... MONSTER!
<2> rofl, good point
<2> ph34r the dreaded mozilla
<0> arch makes you sound 1337 though... I added Firefox to my system :
<2> ya
<2> well using the word compile in almost any context confuses the m***es....
<2> so I compiled firefox always works to a degree
<0> compiling firefox is my ultimate nightmare
<0> I'm so glad that I'm not Blake Ross :P
<5> hi
<6> one really stupid question: how can i change the appeareance of chat window in PSI?
<5> If I want to write an application for Linux, what programming lang should I use?
<0> Steveire: C or C++ for the most part
<0> what type of program do you want to make?
<0> and do you want your app to be portable?
<7> deciding what language to use has much more to do with the needs of the application than the OS
<2> excelblue: if you want firefox (bon echo) to work with other GTK apps, it's necessary to compile it and all the other GTK apps with the same GCC version (my system had a problem with scim and firefox -- not a gentoo issue, a problem with GCC compatability)
<5> portable in what way? to windows, or just another computer?
<0> to Windows
<0> java is good if your app is simple... but otherwise, C is the preferred choice
<0> Linux itself is made with C
<8> I can't connect to the WPA2 wireless network here with wpa_supplicant. It's fine when security is turned off but it doesn't work when WPA is enabled. Please someone lend some advice??
<8> Does anyone here use WPA?
<9> excelblue: can you give more details on 'java is good [for simple stuff]'?
<7> even if its not simple, java can be friendlier, depending on what he's doing and what his skill level is
<5> http://www.mwusers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1647 <<< I want to make an application with the same function as that described in that thread. It seems fairly simple.
<2> Steveire: just no VB.NET pls...I've had some bad experiences with that...also it won't work with linux
<4> not bad, yubimusubi! a custom-compile job, i would ***ume
<0> well... if you don't need any low-level access... your app has lots of GUI, etc... java might not be a bad choice
<7> heh
<4> yeh, VB .NET is only good in M$
<5> yubimusubi: What do you mean by that? I don't intend to write it in VB for Linux
<0> C might be the best choice here...
<0> though if you feel more comfortable working in Java, go ahead (you'll get something portable)
<4> java hangs too much
<2> Steveire: heheh, my programming teacher is a moron and asked me to help her learn VB (I had no prior experience) and the IDE was slow, the language was buggy...
<4> i can't stand java
<5> I've done some C and C++ before, but nothing with a GUI
<0> ah... a GUI library should be OK to learn
<0> have you ever done Java? most of C's GUI libraries operate similarly
<5> Just enough to know how to use cl***es
<0> ah... would be a nice learning experience then
<5> indeed
<0> when it comes go GUI, you might want to go with C++ instead of C so you have a greater choice of libraries
<5> yeah, I'll do that
<0> if you want to just do Linux and get it done with something simple like C, GTK+ is recommended
<10> does anyone know where the gient dictionary list is located? I thought it was /usr/share/dict/cracklib-words which last time I checked was many MB, but it doesnt seem to be there.. only the cracklib-small
<7> i still don't know why anyone would rather write a gui in c++ than java...java's so much better-documented
<11> is it possible to transfer tracks to a sony walkman in linux????
<0> wxWindows allows easy portability... but if it's mainly for Linux, that's not worth your time
<2> GUIPEnguin: that's distro-specific
<5> I'm using Kubuntu as my Linux distro. There's probably some application I can apt-get to do this?
<0> Glade is good for designing GTK+ interfaces
<4> chessguy: because java is SLLLLOOOOOWWWW
<0> you also have the QT library... and while I've heard it's easy, it's quite bloated and odd in many ways
<4> java runs like goddamned syrup
<0> this is often a question I come up with myself... whether to use GTK or QT
<2> lo_tek: have you seen looking gl***?
<4> i've heard of it
<5> I'd say this will be a simple program. I can't see it being slow tbh.
<4> 3D desktop?
<0> so... yeah, apt-get glade for a GUI designer for GTK+
<2> yea 3d...it surprised me when it was so much faster
<0> QT can be slow... even when simple
<2> faster than other java apps *
<0> GTK is definitely faster than QT... but QT is easier to use
<2> excelblue: ya, I have a friend who told me that
<0> Kubuntu has most apps with QT, Ubuntu have most apps with GTK
<5> I'm gonna switch to my Kubuntu box. I'll be back. Thanks for the pointers.
<0> ever thought about irc'ing from your kubuntu box?
<4> there's also 3D-Desktop developed in OpenGL
<5> That's what I'm gonna do.
<4> he wuz in 'doze, lol
<2> lo_tek: yea? I heard of another one...what's it called?
<4> using chatzilla from firefox, lol
<4> not sure, yubi
<2> well, I've used chatzilla from lin....of course it sux0rz compared to irssi
<2> lo_tek: Okay, thanks
<4> http://desk3d.sourceforge.net/index.php
<2> lo_tek: erm...actually that's just a switcher :(
<2> lo_tek: I've used that and it's pretty cool, but it's not a 3d desktop, but a 3d desktop changer
<4> yeah, i was wondering about that
<4> i was just looking at some of the screenshots
<4> i heard novell/suse were working on really kewl 3D desktop
<12> How long did that take me?
<4> not long
<3> about 3 mins from irc timestamp
<4> about three minutes from the timestamps here
<4> lol
<2> I know there's another one besides lg in the works...but I forgot what it's called
<12> hehe. alright
<0> steveire: about an hour or so
<0> of course... I synched my time with the NTP server
<12> I have some issue with ntp, but that's very separate.
<12> Anyway, I've fired up adept.
<4> http://cto.secs.oakland.edu/~castro/NLD10video/
<4> that's a list of four video demonstrations of novell/suse's new 3d desktop
<12> There's something called entity which seems to be what I want
<12> I just searched gtk+
<3> well there's an entity called sarah elizabeth which seems to be what 'I' want :)
<4> the third one on the list is particularly impressive!
<12> D|G|TAL: hehe
<11> is it possible to transfer tracks to a sony walkman in linux????
<12> excelblue: What application should I go for? Will entity do the trick?
<2> lo_tek: That URL gives me a 404 error...
<0> steveire: you only need libgtk
<0> but glade might help in development
<12> I have libgtk2.0.0 it seems
<0> yeah, that works
<12> I can get glade, or glade 2
<0> glade2
<13> how do I pipe both stdout and stderr to less, more, and/or a file?
<12> alright, I'm getting it now. I'm sure everything will be far clearer once I've had a look.
<14> does anyone know of a site that compares various filesystems?
<9> tonsofpcs: blah | less 2>&1
<13> thanks redduck676
<13> 2>&1, that's what i was doing wrong ;)
<13> and to a file?
<9> > file
<3> AngryElf: i did, a while back.. it had technical comparison as well as benchmarks on large files, small files ... read write speeds
<15> has anyone here been able to establish a long and stable wifi connection with a *cardbus* wireless card on sarge on a P133 or lower? i said cardbus and not pcmcia!
<13> hmmm, it's not working.... where does wine output errors to?!!
<12> Ok, I've started up glade. Any recommendations for my first program?
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