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<0> BTW thank you guys, its actually working now
<1> I don't know about linux, but open source in general is nice
<0> thank you thank you thank you
<2> yeah you don't think it has anything with me snapping at the op in #ubuntu last night do you ?
<3> kevin`, agreed, design is a better adjective
<4> Quiznos, produced
<3> nah
<3> designed
<3> implemented
<4> theres lots of software thats produced but never designed ;)
<5> <insert anti-software-patents quip>
<5> lol headmonkey
<6> And some is just dd'd directly out of /dev/random...
<4> SpeedEvil, alot of c sources look like it
<7> if you had to bet the house on it... which email client would you use?
<5> netcat



<4> telnet
<2> SpeedEvil you've seen me code ?
<6> :)
<3> btw, re the man i just mentioned, the county DA seriously messed up the whole thing, very the very start of the court proceedings!!!
<4> thats why he's the county DA and not one of OJ's attorneys ;)
<5> how?
<8> which manpage is it?
<8> :-p
<3> bodies were found on the man's property. one would think that would make a slam-dunk case against the man. that's how bad the DA messed up!
<9> wow - snoop dogg is kickin' it with some hot babes again
<4> bodies found on the property....and he's a free man ?
<4> insane...you'd think the entire US had used lead pipes for its water supply
<8> Quiznos: so you're saying that no one can possibly leave something on your property without your noticing?
<6> Well... You can bury bodies on other peoples land.
<2> headmonkey we did
<6> (though I have no personal experience)
<2> and then plastic...
<4> intelikey, its all clear now ;)
<8> headmonkey: not all of us!
<8> headmonkey: and we have well water over here, not acid rain runoff
<9> I've always wondered about plastic soda bottles
<5> acid rain filtered by dirt :)
<8> IRONCOW: what about them?
<8> they dissolve
<9> in heat...
<8> IRONCOW: no, in soda.
<4> i cant wait to build my house...those problems are all easily solved....just noone does it
<6> tonsofpcs: they basically do not dissolve.
<2> headmonkey but isn't man the only creature that intentionally poisons himself on a regular bases ?
<9> So if its a hot summer day - is it safe to drink soda in them?
<6> headmonkey: what - the where to bury bodies problem?
<6> IRONCOW: sure.
<5> intelikey no, actually
<4> intelikey, i dunno...ive seen dogs eat their own turds...dunno what affect it has on them ;)
<10> VIm_Enforcer version 2.0 responding
<3> tonsofpcs i'm not the man i'm referring to
<8> SpeedEvil: ever see a plastic soda bottle that's been sitting for a few years and compare it to the thickness of a bottle from the same batch that was sititng empty for the same period?
<8> Quiznos: go grep your man til you find it then.
<6> tonsofpcs: yes. They do not dissolve.
<3> headmonkey plastic pipes and the poison glue are just as dangerous
<5> intelikey i'd be hard pressed to remember the specific animals, but a couple DO poision themselves intentionally.. of course, for a benificial purpose, but
<3> the glue they use to connect the plastic pipes
<4> Quiznos, im a fan of copper pipes myself
<8> SpeedEvil: then what happens to the plastic that makes it so much thinner/weaker at that point?
<9> bah - 2 more days until my first important phone call on my book - actually one and a half - should be friday afternoon
<6> tonsofpcs: at what point?
<8> SpeedEvil: a few years down.....
<5> headmonkey copper.. lead solder?
<4> Kevin`, leadless solder ;)
<5> good for you :)
<6> tonsofpcs: They arn't. I've actually had occasion to measure one (weight) and it was identical from one that had been full for 5 years, to one that had been empty
<2> kevin` well i never really studied boteny so ;)
<4> the sprinkler system can be plastic....doesnt so much matter there
<6> (I was looking at absorbed moisture content
<4> but inside the house will be all copper
<4> the showers can be plastic...again...doesnt matter much
<8> SpeedEvil: you must have had a tougher one than the ones I had...
<6> tonsofpcs: Did you actually measure this? PETE does _not_ dissolve in water, or acid.
<5> tougher.. different plastic.. whatever
<3> headmonkey i am not aware of a decent substitute for the various metal and plastic materials that are used for transporting potable water
<6> tonsofpcs: And that's what essentially all clear plastic bottles are made of



<3> wood perhaps
<4> Quiznos, copper ;)
<6> Quiznos: ceramic
<4> its just expensive
<8> SpeedEvil: yes, I actually measured it
<3> i'm not sure of that.
<3> ceramic, but it would have to be properly cooked
<6> tonsofpcs: and they were from the same batch, at exactly the same place on the bottle?
<6> tonsofpcs: the thickness from bottle-bottle varies a bit, and the thickness place-place varies a _lot_
<5> well ideally you'd take the average of several bottles..
<8> I guess I should set up a new test, three bottles of a few different sodas in a few different bottle types, one remains full and sealed, one full and open, one open and empty
<8> I don't have enough space for multiple sets of each type
<2> all stainless only way to go.
<6> tonsofpcs: No point - PET bottles have been studied to death. They do not dissolve in any common solvent.
<8> SpeedEvil: they do not dissolve *without a catalyst* in common solvents
<6> tonsofpcs: read the literature on them. Any macro dissolving into the contents would be _big_ news - from the health POV
<6> tonsofpcs: Because poeple were talking about it does not make it true.
<8> SpeedEvil: and because people weren't doesn't make it false.
<2> yes the 'dioxin' used to make them wasn't it.
<4> all i know is...i can taste the plastic....it tastes different than a can
<6> And they were AIUI talking about plasticisers
<8> headmonkey: yup
<6> which is very differnent from the base plastic
<4> if it didnt leech at all....then i couldnt taste it
<11> apache2 issue : 98)Address already in use: make_sock: could not bind to address xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx:443 no listening sockets available, shutting down <--- but its runnining any ideas ?
<5> shut down, start again
<12> Blue-Steel: it's already running.
<8> Blue-Steel: it's already running
<2> headmonkey can i challange that. it may be the aluminum you taste more than the plastic..... just a thought. need to test against gl*** not aluminum. i remember the differance in the gl*** bottles
<11> but its not ..
<8> darn, Skunky beat me
<4> gl***, aluminum, plastic....all taste different
<12> Blue-Steel: yes, it is. or SOMETHING is running on port 443.
<5> somtimes it takes a few minutes until the kernel will allow you to reopen a listening socket
<4> gl*** tastes the best
<8> intelikey: I've tried alum, plastic, gl***, freshly packaged with water from the tap that goes into a common vessel first, gl*** and alum. taste much different than plastic.
<5> it will say it's in use, but it's really not
<11> netstat -nap | grep 433 says no its not :P
<4> aluminum second, plastic third
<10> headmonkey: you're on gl***!
<8> takes about 1 hour for the plastic to be tastable
<11> *443
<4> if they all taste different, at least 2 of them are leeching
<4> alumunum is sprayed internally with epoxy
<2> hey i'm no plastic adfocate.
<4> er..aluminum
<2> advocate
<4> i look at it this way...odds are...i shouldnt be drinking the contents ( soda, beer, etc ) in the first place
<5> unless it's "water"
<4> i dont even trust bottled water
<2> wow that's rad !
<10> ioactive
<10> :P
<4> its the lesser of many evils of course...but its sold for profit, so i dont trust it implicitly
<2> and the clorine in the water is not good either.
<5> i'm saying you should be able to trust it, not that you should trust it
<12> clorine in the water is better than letting the little thingies grow in the water instead.
<4> cool...a opossum just walked by
<5> little thingies don't grow in my water (or i'm immune to them, either way, it's good :))
<4> like i said, when i build my house, its gonna have a nice deep well, the water is gonna get filtered, treated, and stored, and im gonna have enough supply to last months
<5> be careful with "treated"
<12> headmonkey: nice idea. where you gonna live?
<4> Kevin`, i know...i'll do the research
<4> Skunky, anywhere outside of suburbia ;)
<4> Kevin`, UV light for starters
<5> that uv light gets into the water, you know =p
<4> sure it does ;)
<2> lol
<4> im hoping i turn into the incredible hulk ;)
<5> lol
<5> gamma radiation would kill more, you know :)


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