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<0> DONT RUN AS ROOT
<1> :D
<0> you hear that a lot in #ubuntu
<0> i got kickbanned for saying "sudo su"
<2> You guys are making the mistake of thinking, "Because ubuntu makes it too easy, you'll never learn anything"
<3> ive tried it, and i didnt
<3> i learned how to mount drives and check my ifconfig
<0> I didnt learn anything about linux from ubuntu except how bad a distro can be on old hardware.
<3> what else was there to do?
<3> you dont have to setup hardly anything
<2> You shoudln't have to force yourself to learn by going up against m***ive confusing obscure console commands
<0> type SYNAPTIC at a terminal lol
<1> I'm gonna write Linux tutorials on how to use the shell for beginners.
<0> :>
<4> stevekl: ubuntu doesn't make it easy though.. only particular things are easy, and everything else is insanely difficult
<5> bsdirl: WHich distro are you using ?



<0> Infinitus: I wrote 2 chapters of a bash tutorial for noobs and gave up.
<3> i did the apt get, i added repositories
<1> In fact I might just make the focus of it totally POSIX shells.
<0> it was too damn hard for noobs.
<2> Triffid_Hunter, is there something easier than ubuntu in your opinion?
<3> i still didnt learn a thing
<0> people were like WTF?!
<0> Cornellius: suse 8 on this box
<0> puppy on my old one.
<0> no kvm switch yet :[
<5> haw
<3> im going to try gentoo now
<4> stevekl: gentoo is the easiest, most cooperative distro i've ever used
<6> bsdirl: synergy ;)
<0> 8.2 that is :>
<5> Suse is easy as much as Ubuntu
<3> you pessmistics completely dissuased me from LSF
<3> LFS
<1> bsdirl, are you a female or a male?
<0> but I wanna figure out how to run mwm+kicker/xfce dock.
<6> bsdirl: well it doesn't really replace a kvm switch, I have one, but I prefer synergy ;)
<0> that would be a leet wm
<7> hm and grep
<0> Infinitus: I'm an illusion.
<1> bsdirl, I want to figure out how to make a vector graphics window manager.
<4> ppj1010: learning linux by installing lfs is like learning about cars by machining every nut and bolt by hand... you spend so much time on trivial tasks that you lose the actual lessons in the noise
<0> heh
<0> 3d wm would own.
<2> Ok, but in my opinion, gentoo's not a good starter distro for someone who doesn't want to wait 30 minutes to a few hours to compile something
<1> one that you can totally warp the window if you want.
<5> bsdirl: Compiz
<1> or bind it to other windows.
<3> stevekl, ive been setting up my partitions for the past 2 hours patiently, thanks
<0> stevekl: the ubuntu config/extraction after reboot is long as hell too.
<1> ever hear of Looking Gl***?
<1> Looking Gl*** attempts to be the latest greatest.
<5> You must have a low CPU then
<2> ppj1010, an expert can set up partitions in 2 seconds. Bu no matter how GOOD you are, things still take hours to compile in gentoo
<1> you can flip windows around with it.
<2> ppj1010, that was the point I was making
<0> Infinitus: I heard of the Windows Vista aero ****
<0> called something-gl***
<3> anyway
<0> can you do it on xfree or xorg only?
<3> if you could jump to another topic and quit being pessimistic to my linux crash course i'd appreciate it
<3> i know how i learn, you know how you learn
<0> ppj1010: you go bruva/sista
<3> i need to be forced
<3> to sit there at a command prompt
<3> and type
<1> ppj1010, are you a Linux newbie?
<0> its an ADD thing.
<3> not have GUI facing me
<0> trust me, I feel ya.
<1> ppj1010, ???
<3> because if i install ubuntu, what will i do? I'll sit on the internet
<2> We're not being 'pessimistic', we're just telling you that it will be easier on you to use something like ubuntu
<6> ppj1010: really, you don't learn linux the best by installing every distro there is, you learn the best by using it and configuring it the way you want
<0> I didn't learn **** about linux until I installed RH7 without X
<3> and download XMMS



<3> and listen to music
<2> Nobody's saying "you can't learn, dummie!"
<3> And learn nothing
<0> but! but! if you do LFS you can download mpg123 and listen to music :>
<5> ppj1010: I have Ubuntu and I use the terminal 80 % of the time
<3> Infinitus, not a newbie
<1> bsdirl, are you a male or a female?
<3> Infinitus, i'm new to it
<0> and type CTRL-C to fastforward :>
<1> If your a Linux chick kudos.
<3> Cornellius, to do what
<2> ppj1010, But you don't HAVE to do those things with ubuntu, you can use the console too, you know
<4> ppj1010: so install gentoo already.. and skip the gui installer, its utter crap, just like every other distro's wizardised installer
<0> Infinitus: I'm just a hyper guy
<6> bsdirl: yeah and try not to press it twice accidentally or you'll kill mpg123
<2> Gentoo has a GUI installer now?
<1> Have you ever even used anything POSIX before ppj1010 ?
<2> wow
<6> stevekl: since when?
<7> I hate it when my connection disconnects like that
<5> ppj1010: Compile, chat, music, text edit, etc
<0> but I swear to GOD I'll teach my next gf how to use a terminal
<7> I really should call my isp
<3> Infinitus,whats the point asking me that?
<2> lietu, it was a question, ready mc readsalot
<0> lietu: I use mpg123 on my laptop
<0> driving down the road
<5> some c/c ++ too
<3> Cornellius, Thats not learning IMO
<0> it's a texas ipod
<1> I want to help you learn some stuff if your interested ppj1010
<8> what is the dialup max speed ?
<0> EVEREHTHANGS BEEEGUR IN TEXXXUS
<1> I've got a decade of Linux experience.
<4> stevekl: 2006.0 livecd has it.. appariently it crashes all the time and mucks everything up, which is exactly what I expected from such an endeavour
<5> ppj1010: Well, it forces you to learn the linux commands
<1> A decade of POSIX actually.
<3> Cornellius, me sitting here having to mount every single thing, formatting, partitioning, installing each package, etc is teaching me tons
<6> stevekl: yeah, I read the question mark, but about 60% of the people use question marks the wrong way so you can't trust them anymore ;)
<8> 57??? bps ?
<2> Triffid_Hunter, I can hardly imagine that heh
<3> Infinitus, Fantastic
<2> lietu, yeah, good point
<0> heh I technically have a decade of exp., but I quit for like 4 yrs
<1> I've used Solaris, BSD, Linux etc.
<0> at first :[
<3> and?
<0> zipslack makes newbies hate linux.
<5> ppj1010: I mount, partm install, compile myself
<1> Linux makes my world more enjoyable.
<1> :D
<5> ppj1010: Just because there's a gui, that don't mean you HAVE to use it.
<6> bsdirl: the first linux I ever installed was some ancient version of Slackware that came on a PC Format CD
<0> linux makes me feel funnnnny
<0> :>
<0> heh
<7> PC format?
<3> Cornellius, if 90% of the stuff is setup from the INSTALL, there isnt much left to do to learn
<0> lietu: downloaded 30mbish zipslack on dialup in 97
<6> bsdirl: and I only had had experience with C64 and MS-DOS before that, and I had no problems installing it, and I was like 11 at the time ;)
<1> Linux is my distraction from the sour realm of life we call reality.
<0> or 96 dont remember which.
<2> One of these days i'm gonna try BSD *spitoon*
<3> Unless you guys want to give me missions to complete
<0> I was 15, and I had been compless since 90
<6> Kevin`: some british computer mag
<3> And I'll try to figure them out
<7> ah
<5> ppj1010: It's up to me. I choose to do things via the terminal while other prefer GUIs.
<0> bsd is fun.
<3> Like editing files, etc
<0> I like vim and ee over vi.
<2> I wonder if there's an "easy user friendly kawaii ^_^" equivalent of ubuntu in bsd


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