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<0> infi: to use umsdos, i need to do something?
<1> secure wipes... Ah. I should write one. What's the trouble in writing a secure wipe proggy for a journaled fs?
<2> the difference is so great, that if you format (mkfs) a 1.44mb floppy with ext2, you only have about 1.1 MB free space, whereas with FAT, you have 1.38mb
<2> leleobhz: just have module support for fat/msdosfs
<3> is there anyway to check or mantain a hd or filesystem? other than fsck? to check that everything goes ok?
<0> infi: but how the umsdos register the file atribbutes
<0> ?
<2> leleobhz: in the file allocation table (see FAT acronym)
<0> (!)
<4> Toerkeium, S.M.A.R.T. is useful for checking a hdd's health
<0> but it dont generate incompatobilyties?
<3> Pio, that's the smartd daemon?
<2> say what? where are you creating this filesystem?
<4> yeah smartd monitors SMART data
<3> thansk Pio, will read about it
<0> infi: because i want to use file permissions on my drive
<5> Hey guys. I'm working on a project that more or less is going to need something almost painfully shiny as a desktop. It can be windows or linux. Any ideas? 3d is nice, the hardware side is very powerful.
<0> i use my pendrive on job, permissions is improtant
<4> painfully shiny?
<2> well, what's your priority? permissions or free space?
<2> everything has a tradeoff.
<5> Pio, Like, almost what you'd see in a sci-fi movie shiny.
<5> To the point where practicallity is almost lost.
<0> infi: permissions
<2> ok, then ext2
<0> space ist a big problem...
<0> infi: have some compressed fs RW?
<2> ext3 (journalling) won't gain you anything, and minix and ext2 aren't *much* different space- and overhead-wise.
<2> bah, **** it. get your job to buy you a bigger pen-drive.
<0> :]
<5> Pocket hard drive.
<0> infi: i have one 512mb
<2> if permissions are that important on a pen-drive, use the right tools.
<2> ok, expect 450 mb usable space.
<0> infi: so, ext2 will stay
<2> yar.
<0> last: have some kit to read ext2 on windows
<0> that recognize pendrives/
<0> explore2fs dont do this...
<2> FAT doesn't use permissions, and anything built thereupon will be retarded.
<2> it should, iirc it did.
<0> ?
<2> but doze doesn't do permissions well.
<0> infi: but i can mount my pendrive on windows
<0> ?
<6> leleobhz: how will the drive be mounted?
<0> cause explore2fs dont do
<2> most people consider pen drives The Devil, and thus they either allow them (don't care) or block them entirely.
<6> (just curious)
<2> it should.
<0> redduck754: have drivers for windows that do it
<0> but all of i have tested dont mount pendrives
<6> leleobhz: no, i mean on linux.
<0> normal
<0> redduck754: mount -o defaults,sync /dev/sda2 /mnt/pendrive
<0> eg.
<2> anyway, haven't played with ext2 on windows on pendrives. theoretically, it shouldn't matter what medium the drive is mounted on to read a filesystem :b
<6> leleobhz: don`t permissions work by UID`s?
<0> ?
<2> my pen drives, I understand that the security doesn't matter on them in general, so mine are all vfat.
<0> infi: shellscripts :]
<0> i work making it
<2> redduck: no, windows doesn't respect UIDs, even under the ext2 compatibility libs.
<2> leleobhz: oh, I know it's totally crappy, security-wise.
<0> :]
<7> well if windows doesn't respect uid's, isn't that a felony under the DMCA?
<6> infi: when ext2 saves the owner**** it saves the UID?
<2> leleobhz: but I am figuring upon any system where I allow usb-devices to be mounted to be insecure in general anyway, and thus I don't generally care.
<7> like everybody will have to turn in their copies of windows cuz didn't resect that /var/log was mode 775?
<0> infi: but they dont allow
<0> infi: i have rot access :]
<0> s/rot/root
<2> redduck: it's in the inode
<7> hm, I'm glad I didn't buy windows now
<0> infi: i use scripts to made somethings work
<2> the filesystem compatibility layer just tells the OS what it wants to hear, and what it expects.
<7> that would be terrible to have to give up my computer when the dmca task force comes for the windows users
<2> dmca ;)
<0> :]
<8> the fastest file system around is the file cabinet
<2> and no, windows is apparently invincible :b though perhaps not. we'll see how the EU case turns out.
<7> yeah
<6> infi: is this possible: leleobhz has UID 1004 on his computer, he comes to work and when that key is mounted the user with UID 1004 on the computer on work is considered the owner of those files?
<7> one time I kept my taxes in my file cabinet
<2> redduck: what filesystem?
<2> it matters.
<6> infi: ext2.
<7> cool
<2> redduck: then it would depend upon the compatibility DLL. 'doze doesn't handle ext2 by default.
<0> yes
<2> redduck, the other way around, it depends on who is mounting the drive.
<7> it's like that tv show charles in charge except this is lelobhz
<7> that is leleobhz
<0> hmmm
<6> infi: i mean ***uming both leleobhz`s computer and the computer on work and linux machines.
<7> leleobhz: have you seen it?
<0> yes
<2> redduck: it would also (hopefully) depend on the user who was accessing the drive layer.
<7> charles was a babysitter for a bunch of teenage girls
<0> redduck754: have all with linux
<7> I don't think they would allow that kind of show to be made now though
<2> redduck: oh, both linux? yes, the other system will allow him to write to 1004-owned files. :b
<7> cuz it's this teenage girl being like: I want charles in charge of my days and my nights ! I want charles in charge of me!
<7> like, charles could end up on a list and have to introduce himself as the creepy guy to all the neighbors
<2> this is a big problem, of course.
<0> is cause if i need use lanhouse to save something, i dont have a problem
<0> (or to read too)
<7> anyway it is clear that an operating system should respect the uid ownership of a file on mount
<2> internally, the kernel doesn't give the slightest fsck what your username is, it only cares about uid.
<6> infi: doesn`t that defeat the purpose of security? i mean that is the main reason why is he picking ext2.
<0> redduck754: is cause my scripts checks file permissions
<0> and if wrong, it adjusts
<0> cause i have a lot of in-box-config-files
<6> leleobhz: but if a guy who hates you happens to have the same uid on work as you on home?
<2> not really. without centralized control of uids, any system that relies upon that type of abstraction would be vulnerable in that way. the inode only stores the UID. the representation to the users is via username, but it's the uid that is important.
<9> anybody here is familiar with ccache?
<9> build firefox daily from MOZILLA_1_8_BRANCH .Can somebody refresh my memory with how to use ccache when recompiling firefox to speed things up?
<2> the permissions are still there, but consider the username like DNS: it's just an abstraction to make user representation more "logical" to humans.
<2> the permissions (user, group, other) are still maintained, but the uid cannot be kept between systems without some sort of protocol for agreement between those systems.
<10> if tom is uid 1004 here would the medium show peter as owner there if hes 1004 too?
<2> that's why when you download a kernel, sometimes if they forget to chown it (used to happen all the time), it'll be owned by uid 69.
<11> hussam: ccache works per default
<2> might have been a joke, nfi. but the permissions themselves are kept in the tar, but there is no way to match the user ownership between systems.
<11> it only makes sense when you built once before partially identical
<2> NIS, samba, etc. have all tried to solve this, but it remains a Hard Problem on unix.
<6> infi: thanks :)
<11> just updated to seamonkey 1.0.1
<12> I seriously wonder... do most newer Linux users have some Windows install CD around somewhere just in case?
<11> what kind of a question is that?
<6> excelblue: i don`t.
<9> slpyhd: I build firefox daily but I still don't know how to take advantage of ccache. how would I use it?
<10> i am not a newer linux user but i keep wincds around
<11> hussam: it's a cache of binary code
<11> with checksums
<11> I dunno how it exactly works
<10> i still have one doubleboot box for this proggy or that
<11> but it prevents building things already built before
<11> anytime
<9> excelblue: I don't have a windows installation and neither a windows install CD. My PC came with windows. I removed it and installed linux
<11> thereby speeding up the build
<1> excelblue: I would have a mac install disc, if anything.
<1> excelblue: But I sure know that windows users have an install disc, just in case. :)
<9> slpyhd: I have it installed. but I don't think I'm using it. there maybe something I need to enable it. maybe a an env variable or soemthing
<11> dunno, I havent used it
<11> probably works with an alias or so
<2> redduck: np
<10> and infi, moving on from half drunk to the full thing now? ;-)
<2> pretty much ;)
<1> Any possible ideas on display randomly flickering? VIsibly, but not black-white, just a shimmery feel.
<2> stop touching your monitor in the trashy part of town
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