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<0> lowkey: and how did these gases get into a state where they could condense from?
<1> heat generally.
<2> bronze, your embar***ing him
<0> where they perhaps.... heated ?
<1> oh yeah.
<1> heat generally.
<3> well, the imporant feature of a cracking tower is that each level is maintained at the condensation point of the specific hydrocarbon fraction you desired
<3> it's a big distillation apparatus with multiple outputs
<0> yup, any flaver you want.
<0> flavor
<1> thats what i said.
<3> you boil the crude oil at the bottom
<1> in other words.
<1> but same gist.
<3> and the different weight molecules condense at different levels
<0> yup - so the condensatiode side of the process is a multi-product distillation
<2> we all need thermal depolymerization rigs in our garage...that way we can put old clothes, garbage, newspapers, soda bottles, the neighbors cat, etc and run our cars
<3> obviously, this has to be done in an air-free environment
<3> :p
<1> none of this matters. ethanol produced in the US will never be as cheap as ethanol produced in Brazil.
<4> if the gas prices get much higher ,i 'll just camp out in my office
<1> never.
<2> "i get 32 mpg from the neighbors cat....43 from the neighbors dog....take that oil monopoly!"
<1> even if they get the quality up.
<1> so its a moot point.
<0> lowkey, uh huh, and did somebody say it would?
<3> I live not far from a major refinery in El Segundo
<1> you.
<3> (I live in Westchester, California)
<2> lowkey, theres no reason we cant produce ethanol as cheaply as any other nation....except that we dont
<0> I suggest you look again.
<1> headmonkey: yes there is.
<1> headmonkey: cost of labor.
<1> headmonkey: and unions.
<2> lowkey, automate the process
<1> headmonkey: and the farm subsidies.
<2> lowkey, hire illegal immigrants
<1> headmonkey: and taxes.
<3> El Segudo facility has had explosions + fire once in a great while
<0> Lowkey, please paste where I said that.
<3> like almost any refinery
<3> :(
<2> its apparently legal to hire illegal immigrants...and taxes play no part in being able to produce ethanol relative to another nation in terms of real cost
<2> taxes are simply to promote/regulate the production of products
<0> lowkey: Please paste where I said we will produce ethanol as chaply as Brasil
<3> it's very bad to let hot hydrocarbon vapors outside of the apparatus
<1> bronze: please.
<2> so considering we have nuclear technology, we can get electrical or heat power very cheaply, to produce the ethanol
<0> lowkey: Please paste where I said we will produce ethanol as cheaply as Brasil.
<1> bronze: go away.
<2> bronze, i said we could...we just dont
<0> lowkey - when you put lies in my mouth it is very offensive. It is now time for you to admit that I didn't say it.
<0> or prove that I did. Be a man.
<2> and the reason we dont, is because its cheaper to buy oil
<1> bronze: the group discussion was about the economics of alcohol as fuel.
<1> bronze: so my comment is to the group.
<5> hey um, how to use 'sed' to change what's in a file?
<2> but since oil keeps going up, things will change
<5> cat file | sed s/foo/bar/g > file
<5> ...but that doesn't work
<1> any discussion of ethanol as fuel in the US needs to consider the labor costs in development
<5> ...how to use sed to change what's in a file?
<6> man sed
<2> and ethanol as a fuel is the cheapest way to go, same as brazil decided to do
<1> so comparing to brazil is wrong.
<5> kratzers: good plan
<5> already looked there
<1> bronze: its not just you here.
<0> it was until you said this: <0> lowkey, uh huh, and did somebody say it would? <1> you.
<5> i'm really asking about bash though
<1> get over yourself.
<2> because the infrastructure, and the nature of the combustion engine do not have to be altered, the fuel is the only thing changing
<5> how to get bash not to overwrite file as i am trying to be reading from it
<6> write to a file of a different name then overwrite the origional
<4> you mean like echo test > file
<2> in which case we will no longer be dependent on foreign oil....we will become dependent on foreign sugar
<6> or just do in-line editing
<2> and the sugar war era will begin
<4> set -o noclobber
<1> 21:22 <1> and take away the govt subsidies and ethanol costs $5+/g
<1> 21:22 <1> making it from corn is especially bad.
<1> 21:22 <1> sugar is ok.
<1> 21:22 <7> actually theres a Gov. Tarrif on importing of Ethanol I belive.
<1> 21:22 < bronze> lowkey: Not in Brasil it doesn't
<1> i mentioned price.
<5> sed does inline editing?
<1> you countered with brazil
<7> following, yes it can
<1> i counter with brazil can't be compared because of the difference in labor cost.
<5> lol 'k maybe i didnt rtfm closely enough
<1> so my point is valid given your statements.
<1> bronze: so get over yourself.
<6> -i
<7> following, ive seen it used all the time to change an existing file. like switch 'nv' to 'nvidia'
<5> lol ya just saw that in tfm
<2> a government tariff on importing ethanol has nothing to do with the price of producing it
<5> thanks!!
<1> bronze: and since you accused me of lying about it and i didn't. maybe its time for you to apologize.
<7> 'dont make me stop this electric car;
<7> :)
<6> which really probably makes a copy and replaces the original anyway
<6> though I'm not really sure
<2> heres a tip to increase gas mileage....shove an intake tube up your *** and eat at mcdonalds more often
<7> kratzers, i dont think it does
<7> sed = 'stream editor' I thought.
<1> brb -- filling up my drink.
<6> yeah, I don't know how it works internally
<2> yes, sed is a stream editor
<7> it reads one line at a time.. edits the line then goes to next line.
<7> is how i belive that sed/awk book state it.
<2> bronze, so did we figure out how to stop using oil yet ?
<8> what if you had a way to artificially put in oxygen into the bloodstream and take waste out?
<8> using nanobots or something
<9> io
<2> we dont have nanobots that can do that
<1> there's an algae that can produce a ton of vegetible oil
<8> you could release these nanobots into a person when they are too sick or tired to stay alive. ex: someone who drowns.
<1> then from there its pretty simple.
<0> lowkey, Thats a nice set of quotes, but reading it should be clear I'm not responding to any of the three lines of yours that you pasted just above it. Now ehere did I say we would prouce it as cheaply in the US as it is in Brasil
<2> lowkey, what do the algae need to produce the oil ?
<2> bronze, i said that
<8> headmonkey: because then you can put it into your gas hungry suv silly. :-P
<1> bronze: please scroll up and read it.
<2> lowkey, what do the algae need to produce the oil ?
<0> lowkey. I did.
<1> headmonkey: water, fertilizer.
<1> headmonkey: runoff water from farms tends to work good.
<2> water is pretty cheap...what is "fertilizer"
<1> high nitrogen content.
<8> lowkey: i have a feeling the back to the future where the doc had a car that ran on bio trash is not too far from the future. :)
<8> lowkey: i give it.... 10 years. :)
<2> so the algae convert nitrogen into vegetable oil ?
<1> linagee: no. not thats portable like that.
<1> headmonkey: nitrogen + sun + a few other things.
<2> linagee, its already here...tyson chicken gives their dead carac***es to a company that puts them in a thermal depolymerizer and produces fuel grade oil
<1> headmonkey: i just read on turkey farms doing that too.
<2> linagee, actually...i think it was turket
<2> yeah
<1> i never released there was that much oil in a bird.
<8> lowkey: huh? someone already made this giant machine that takes living tissue and grinds it all up into oil. you could throw like a sheep, some chicken bones, lots of other disgusting crap, grind it all up, put it through a process, and get oil
<1> linagee: thats crazy cool in my book.
<2> linagee, yes...it simulates how oil is made...using pressure and heat
<1> way better than burying our dead.
<8> lowkey: probably a bit smelly too. hah
<1> save on gas, burn grandpa!
<2> there we go ! 45 mpg from grandma !
<8> headmonkey: exactly. lots of bio crap, mush it up, boil it, filter it, remush it up, rinse, repeat, eventually oil
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