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<0> great for business, morally wrong
<1> agreed
<2> lowkey ya backups are good
<2> i have them
<3> smorken: you'll probably need them.
<0> Bill Gates is going to hell, but I think he's comfortable in that
<1> would you have done things any differently? Made sure that your software was put on every computer if you had the chance?
<3> gufymike: yes. i would do things differently.
<0> gufymike: That wasn't the problem
<2> is it a matter of simply changing the partition id back to linux from fat32?
<2> i havent formatted
<3> smorken: no.
<0> I don't see anything wrong with trying to get it on every computer
<1> I understand they did a lot of strong arm tactics
<0> but not in the way they did
<3> smorken: you haven't?
<0> Exactly ^
<3> smorken: then maybe yes.
<2> lowkey: wah!!!!
<0> If Dell wants to put it on, sure
<1> In reality they weren't better than the local mafia, but I grew up around mafiosos
<0> I'm not going to punish dell for letting people order something else instead
<0> Sure, puishment is good for business (when you have a monopoly), but is morally wrong
<1> Why not
<1> Thats money out of your pocket
<3> dell puts on redhat enterprise.
<3> if you want it.
<3> my mom just bought a system with it.
<2> lowkey: ya the last thing i did was use fdisk to change the id of the table, then re-boot, and then i recieved the pleasant surprise of a grub line
<0> I'd prefer money out of my pocket to trading basic humanity
<1> they just don't advertise it and try and get them to admit that publically lowkey
<4> silly question.... how do I make up2date install updates automatically?
<3> smorken: change it back. see if it works.
<2> ok
<3> gufymike: its on the website.
<2> i dont have knoppix
<1> Stupendoussteve: unfortunately thats not how 90% of the world works
<0> If MS was a person they would be the emperror from star wars
<0> Oh I know
<2> is that the easiest way?
<3> gufymike: and they had the press release last week braggin that 25% of their server sales were linux.
<1> lowkey: they finally did? An article I read a few months ago they wouldn't admit it to them
<3> gufymike: and that they now handle 90% of their own linux support and only hand off 10% to redhat.
<1> Yeah I saw that
<3> dell doesn't hide it anymore.
<1> Which is good
<3> too bad their customer service ****s.
<3> and sales.
<1> but they have ahd the option for years
<3> and communication.
<1> doesn't make up for it
<0> Better than MS lowkey :)
<3> Stupendoussteve: not redhat. dell.
<0> I know
<1> lowkey call ms for help
<1> then compaire
<0> MS service? It's like "Google it" without having an irc channel to go back to
<0> or calling and spending $300 an hour
<3> MS sales do not ****.
<3> they get you to buy and help you to the right license combo.
<3> dell sales ****.
<3> MS support doesn't **** after you pay the $200 per call either.
<0> MS sales has an easy sell getting you to buy, the license combo needs a specialist because of how confusing it is
<3> dell support still ****s.
<1> AFTER
<0> I'm no fan of Dell, but I don't think it's any worse than MS
<0> If you gave Dell $200, they'd probably send out someone to fix it personally
<3> we wanted a system with 2 requirements. 1. RAID5 2. Linux.
<3> and dell says they sell 25% linux.
<3> the first box they sent us would do raid0-1 under linux. and raid5 under windows with a special driver.
<3> then to fix it they sent out a PCI-X 3ware raid card.
<3> unfortunately the box had pci-express slots.
<3> then finally the only solution they offered was to upgrade to a more expensive box with a scsi raid.
<3> and dad was so pissed at that stage he just threw money at it to make the problems go away.
<3> and today we still can't get an authorization to return the first box.
<3> total screw job.
<0> I'm not fond of dell and would never buy one
<3> dell used to be very good.
<3> used to be.
<0> HP ain't bad
<5> Stupendoussteve: You don't need to pay Dell $200 to get them to fix things for you
<5> They came to my house and replaced my mom's blown power supply for free about a year ago.
<0> Phuzion: Not bad, better than MS
<0> lol
<0> I think with many support things you're lucky or unlucky depending on who answers the phone
<6> MS couldnt offer spareparts to make the problem go away
<5> hahaha
<5> Hell, even Ubuntu is better than XP at times
<6> its all blown
<0> Ubuntu ain't bad, I wouldn't rate it as worse than XP
<5> Either would I: <5> Hell, even Ubuntu is better than XP at times
<3> bah. use pure debian.
<5> bah, I have my server running Ubuntu right now
<5> And it runs fine
<5> But I may switch to Debian soon
<0> I don't like Debian, it freezes on two of my computers for like 5-10 seconds at a time
<3> Stupendoussteve: tested the memory recently?
<0> Memory is fine
<3> i.e. memtest86
<0> works great with other systems
<5> memtest86 is the best there is
<0> Debian just stalls and then works fine again and then stalls
<3> software shouldn't fail like that.
<3> whats happening at the stall?
<6> if debian freezes its VERY likely the RAM
<3> what processes are running?
<0> I don't know, I haven't tried it out in a long while
<3> is it predictable or semi-random?
<0> Gentoo runs great and that's all I needed
<0> lol
<3> major pebkac.
<0> Debian ran great for me for a long time
<0> then I put it on a new computer
<3> pebkac.
<0> Opening firefox should not make the whole system freeze for ten seconds and then go fine again
<0> I'm happy with using something else
<6> well
<3> anyway. time for me to crash.
<3> nite all.
<5> later
<6> would you know whats to be done on a debian to make the swsusp work?
<6> need a patch?
<5> The main reason I'm not exactly jumping to switch over to Debian for my server is because I've got everything set up exactly the way I like it, and I've got over 500 MB of web stuff in ***orted folders being hosted from various vhosts, and databases galore
<5> So, transferring all that and to get it to work again properly would be difficult at best
<5> At least for someone of my skill level
<6> NEVER change a running system Phuzion
<0> Phuzion: If it ain't broke don't fix it
<5> That's what I'm thinking
<6> CANT get any better
<5> It works absolutely fine
<5> So, I'm not messing with it.
<6> ill ask in debian
<4> well... as long as it's being updated.
<7> Btw, I just installed vector linux to my laptop and seems like the picture output doesn't fill the whole display
<7> do u guys think it might be the refresh rate or smthg?
<7> I remeber I fixed it with x-config file last time
<7> but dont really remeber how :/
<7> Well it might be refresh rate
<7> gotta try it when I get home
<5> Hoxzer: How much of the screen IS filled?
<7> well it is like one third
<5> Hmm
<7> yeah, it is really small
<5> Sounds like the video driver might not have loaded properly, or it's just the wrong one.
<7> :/
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