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<0> ohh missed the usb
<1> i ask because i'm gonna be using a usb dvdrw to try and install gentoo..
<0> selective reading ^^
<2> if you dmesg|tail after you plug it in, it should tell you the exact node
<2> diemos: i've done that before
<1> did it work out?
<2> yup worked fine
<1> how'd you get it to recognize your DVDRW?
<3> What's a good MUD client?
<3> I've got this itch...
<3> MUDders itch... you know?
<4> PeterFA: gnome-mud
<4> I think.
<5> error
<2> diemos: i turned the machine on with the gentoo disc in the drive...
<6> PeterFA: telnet
<5> /sda11 is not a valid block device
<7> KvaZz: You expecting 11 partitions on sda?
<4> /dev/sda11 isn't?
<1> lol.. i'm just wondering cause after device recognition it will lose the DVDRW drive and not be able to read the disk anymore :(
<1> ok brb rebooting
<5> I just run the installation wizard from DSLinux
<5> It says "where is your usb"
<5> i go "sda1"
<5> then it does some random crap and sends out that error about sda11
<2> tell it sda then
<8> perhaps if you answered "sda" instead of "sda1"
<8> sda1 is just a partition on an usb drive - sda is the drive
<5> ok i'll try sda...
<5> it's.... doing... something.
<5> :D lil' led on thumb drive blinking like mad
<5> :D~
<4> good
<4> :p
<5> I don't know a lot about linux, but a friend says it's impossible to fit an OS in a thumb drive...
<4> nope
<5> i'm sooo owning him.
<4> puppy and damnsmall would own him, yup
<5> yeah baby
<5> green letters saying "USB instalattion has completed"
<5> now.... let's try it :D~
<2> KvaZz: bollocks.. dsl fits in 50mb, and there are numerous embedded platforms which run linux from 4mb of flash
<4> pff, you can fit non-X on a floppy
<1> "The root blockdevice is unspecefied or not detected"
<4> especially with asmutils
<7> nano-x, you mean?
<2> KvaZz: and it all depends on your definition of operating system.. i have a robot here with a kernel, user interface, and numerous inputs and outputs despite having only 32k of ram and no permanent storage to speak of
<4> Arafangion: is nano-x the distrobution?
<7> konrad``: No, it's the X11 program, pretty sure.
<5> a what with the who, Triffid_Hunter?
<4> I'm talking about asmutils, the set of the /bin and /sbin folder stuff written in asm
<9> yeah...but how many different drinks can the robot make ?
<1> actually.. ill be in gentoo..
<2> headmonkey: whatever you let it spill on the carpet ;)
<9> see...it needs a better os to make drinks like a real bartender
<2> lol the computer on it is powerful enough to mix drinks, it just doesn't have the hardware to do it ;)
<7> Triffid_Hunter: My gameboy is powerful enough to mix drinks.
<2> your gameboy has a more powerful computer than my robot too ;)
<7> Triffid_Hunter: Debatable.
<7> Triffid_Hunter: It is barely powerful enough to run gameboy games.
<5> ok guys... off to try it... my laptop doesn't have usb boot...
<5> wish me teh luck.
<4> heh
<4> good luck
<5> :D
<5> Thanks.....
<2> original gameboy: 4mhz z-80-like processor with as many megabytes of ram as the game can bank, 160x144 b&w lcd, 4 channel sound.
<2> my robot: 2mhz m68hc11 with 32k of ram, 16x2 character lcd, pc-speaker style sound
<4> z80, wasn't it?
<7> Triffid_Hunter: Quite often there is 256K of ram in the gameboy, not 'MB's', unless you use specialized catridges.
<2> z-80 base with lots of extras thrown in
<7> Triffid_Hunter: The transfer cable is limited to 256K, afaik.
<4> and m68k's dominate z80s anyways
<2> like the sound processing stuff and the video tiling stuff
<7> Triffid_Hunter: Well, if your robot has even a primitive clock, or any method of keeping the time, it's better than the gameboy.
<2> konrad``: m68hc11 < m68k
<2> Arafangion: it has a 16 bit free running timer, but no rtc
<2> overflows every 32.768ms
<7> Triffid_Hunter: Better than the gameboy :)
<2> Arafangion: the gameboy has a similar timer
<7> Really? Cool.
<2> i considered using my gameboy as a brain, but ultimately decided I couldn't be bothered making a breakout board for all the I/O i'd need
<10> what unit are the values of /proc/loadavg ?
<11> What's the STACK_MAGIC 0xdeadbeef thing in the linux kernel all about ?
<7> Ykstort: Take a guess :)
<11> somethign to do with the stack
<11> the bottom of it ?
<11> idk
<7> Ykstort: Usually overflow.
<12> Neptune__: processes in runqueue
<12> Neptune__: one process running - load average of 1
<11> Arafangion, what do you mean ?
<12> 10 processes running , load average of 10
<7> Ykstort: Processes have a limited amount of stack memory to use.
<12> 90% idle, load averag of 0.1
<7> Ykstort: If they use more than that, it overflows.
<11> 0xdeadbeef is a huge number
<7> Ykstort: Yes, chosen for it's readibility.
<11> a process would have to use a lot of stack to overflow into kernel space
<10> SpeedEvil - that would make 0% idle = 1 - but why do i get values over 1 ?
<12> Err - no
<7> Ykstort: No.
<11> in fact, using loads of stack usually just causes a segmentation fault
<12> 90% IDLE = 0.1 load
<12> 1 = 1 process all the time
<7> Ykstort: It's also to do with pointer magic.
<12> 10 = 10 processes all the time
<12> ...
<10> ah ok...
<11> pointer magic ?
<12> 0 load = 0
<7> Ykstort: Do enough C, and you will.
<13> in linux is it possible to directly wsay "give me a page" (4kb) ?
<4> :)
<13> (in userspace)
<4> wsay?
<11> Heh, I've only been doing C for a few months
<10> SpeedEvil - is there any way of getting the CPU load in % ?
<12> top
<11> 4 or 5 I shoudl think
<11> that's a vague guess though
<13> is there a way that I can, in LInux, ask the kernel "give me a 4kb" page?
<13> where "I" am a user land program
<11> I have come accross magic numbers in files and such
<10> ah ok - thanks a bunch
<11> Or magic numbers that, if wrong, cause a rejection
<7> Ykstort: You haven't done enough C yet.
<14> if i buy a U3 drive, will i be able to use it on linux, if i dont want to use U3?
<11> I've done a lot with pointers....
<4> nima: U3?
<14> its some thing that comes with flash drives now, it lets you install normal programs onto the flash drive
<2> nima: err you can do that with any flash drive
<14> windows only, of course :-P
<2> irrespective of operating system
<14> im aware of this but normal people who dont see the option when they run "setup.exe" won't have any idea how
<2> nima: the option is in the same place it always is.. the "install to" path.
<11> Arafangion, "You haven't done enough C yet." is a very vague thing to say
<11> Care to elaborate on that ?
<4> Ykstort: you havn't done enough C yet.
<4> consult man pages :P
<14> does it have a checkbox for "install to USB drive"?
<7> Ykstort: When you have done enough C, you will truely know about pointer magic.
<4> nima: uhhh
<11> konrad``, which man pages tell you wtf the STACK_MAGIC 0xdeadbeef thing in the linux kernel is all about ?
<14> anyways, i've heard that these U3 drives don't work at all on linux
<7> Ykstort: And you will not be better off for it.
<2> it needs one as much as it needs a checkbox that says "install to hard drive" or "install to network drive".. paths and drives are abstracted for a reason you know
<11> Arafangion, know any docs that talk about pointer magic ?
<11> Or anything like that...
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