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<0> linux_user400354: I wish it were a tar file.
<1> How much stuff do I really *need* in a kernel?
<2> linux_user400354: tar != zip, and excessive spoon-feeding may lead to brain damage.
<0> grepper: Thanks, for some reason I was only looking in zip. :)
<2> kamoricks: /join #philosophy .... ? ;-)
<3> kamoricks: depends on how much of your hardware you want to work, and what you want your system to be able to do
<4> ok, so anyone know if the Dazzle DPM (Digital Photo Maker, same drivers as the old DVM) works with VFL or any other way to pipe it into VLC?
<4> and I'm ***uming there's some way to capture audio from a SB16 in tandem with a VFL device?
<0> kamoricks: I say just have everything - as modules.
<5> I just looked for all those "if unsure, say YES/NO", unless I was sure
<6> tonsofpcs: yes - read the mencoder manpage
<6> from memory it's something like
<6> mplayer tv:// -tv device=/dev/video0:width=640:height=480:adevice=/dev/dsp:arate=44100
<7> someone knows what skype phone is compatible with linux?
<0> lnxKDE: do you mean, "is skype compatible with linux"?
<0> lnxKDE: Why don't you check their website?
<7> no no
<7> I am running skype with linux
<7> I mean this new USB phones
<8> ohnoes, manpages is back.
<0> I want to list every file as a tree, and decent into compressed files and list those as well.
<0> Is there a program to do this?
<9> Arafangion, wouldn't take long to write such a script
<0> flippo: No, it wouldn't.
<0> flippo: But why bother writing the script if the program already existed? :)
<9> Never seen such a program already written.
<9> Seems a little too specialized.
<9> Plus you have to decide which archive formats you care about
<0> flippo: For now, ls -lahR will do, it'd just be _nice_ if it decended into archives.
<0> flippo: All of them. rar, tar, zip, tar.bz2, tar.gz, etc.
<9> I remember the perl script tcgrep, looked inside of archives for grepping
<0> I'm not too keen on that one.
<0> Well, I might as well write it, then. Not doing it today, though.
<0> Today I'll just putup with ls -lahR :)
<2> Arafangion: The tricky part will be recursing into archives within archives... :-)
<9> Do the recursion wrong, and you have a fork bomb :)
<0> flippo: Nah.
<0> flippo: Do the recursion wrong, and you get a full HDD.
<6> Or both
<0> Depends on if you're using libraries, or programs.
<0> Or even if the libraries use programs
<6> The trivial way is just to expand the original archive
<2> Arafangion: Well, to my mind, knowing which extractor to use is half the battle.
<6> then expand all the subsidiary ones in turn
<6> deleting as you come to the end of recursion
<0> SpeedEvil: That's probably going to be the solution I choose.
<6> man file
<10> how can i edit to ~/.vnc/xstartup file, so that the vnc server uses xfce and not a grey screen? http://pastebin.ca/64088
<0> SpeedEvil: What if 'file' is incorrect?
<6> you're screwed
<6> and run the wrong decompressor over it
<6> it errors
<9> Archive programs can list contents without unarchiving, but they all use different formats
<0> SpeedEvil: Therefore, I like to use the extension first, then try file.
<2> Arafangion: Using extensions is icky.
<6> But not all archive programs can extract one file cleanly
<6> and almost no archive programs can extract files within archives
<9> You could also check the exit code of different archive programs, to check for misleading suffixes
<6> file is pretty goof
<6> for non-broken archives
<0> dendrite: If it has a conventional extension for that format, and the file decompresses correctly, there's no problem.
<6> ZIP... zip starts with
<6> RAR .. rar starts with
<6> and so on
<2> SpeedEvil: You'd need to extract everything, in order to determine whether it's really an archive or not...
<9> Or you could just use the "file" program to identify it
<0> Why the heck does manpages privmsg me?
<2> Arafangion: Right, it's when the extension isn't right. E.g., ZIP vs. zip...
<11> hey!
<2> Alas, 'file' won't do input pipes...
<6> Arafangion: did you say manpages?
<0> Yes
<6> I don't rememer the trigger
<11> anyone here see the new sourceforge?
<6> maybe you trigered him
<0> He said he's making a quote.
<2> Arafangion: You'd want a config file to allow you to add and tweak extractors, rather than hard coding it.
<0> dendrite: Why?
<2> Arafangion: So as new formats come along, you can just add them to the config file.
<2> Arafangion: That approach would also force you to properly abstract the extraction and detection... FWIW.
<0> Perhaps.
<0> Or using cl***es, and modifying the script. Not as neat, but more portable, imho.
<2> Arafangion: Another advantage of a config file approach is it would be easier to build the regression test.
<0> How so?
<2> Because tweaks that cause breakage could be identified down to the section of the config file.
<0> Or... tweaks that cause breakage can be identified to the cl*** :)
<0> And even the line of code. :)
<2> Arafangion: Yep, that is true, you can do it that way, and it would work. I guess this is where design is an art, and different artists... You know what I mean.
<2> It would be a cool project.
<2> Arafangion: The closest I've seen is in some file managers, where you can drill down into archives. Konqueror comes to mind, I think mc may have that as well...
<0> It would be, actually.
<0> Konqueror does do that, it uses ioslaves to do that, afaik.
<3> i love those kioslaves
<2> Arafangion: Of course you're looking for something command-line driven, sort of like a new option to find...
<0> Triffid_Hunter: They're a security nightmare, imho.
<3> Arafangion: why do you think that?
<12> but it only goes down one archive :(, if I have bundled archies it opens up ark for the second archive
<3> they don't allow you to byp*** any security measures you'd be subject to otherwise
<0> dendrite: As I'm writing a commercial business manager, I suddenly realised that this would be neat. It wouldn't hurt me making a console version of this "disk tree" opensource, though. :)
<0> gufymike: That's a shame.
<0> gufymike: imho, commercial projects have everything to gain from opensource libraries.
<12> Agreed, but imo h has no place around an opinion, no ones opinion is humble
<0> What do you mean?
<12> I mean that I don't believe anyones opinion is humble, to change most peoples minds it takes a strong argument
<13> is there a way to set up in fstab
<13> like
<13> if a mount fails, then mount antoher device on the folder
<13> or would that need to be scripted
<3> that would need to be scripted, but you'd be better off telling us what you're trying to do
<3> if you want it to mount a usb stick or camera or something no matter what its device node is, you should write a udev rule that creates a symlink in /dev to the proper device when its plugged in, and simply list the symlink as your device in fstab
<0> gufymike: I feel that imho is a good reminder to people that it actually is an opinion.
<0> gufymike: Few people realise that what everybody says is by definition that person's opinion.
<12> imo is enough imo XD
<12> adding h into it is just well in the terms I grew up with "doing too much"
<0> I disagree :)
<14> Anyone has any clue how to fix "setgid: Operation not permitted" problem?
<15> is there a dvd version of gentoo?
<16> not that I know of, diemos
<17> anybody knows what the chan for damn small linux is????
<16> KvaZz: #dsl #damnsmall #damnsmalllinux all don't work?
<16> KvaZz: maybe a different server
<17> nope, no luck.
<17> I tought it would be in freenode....
<17> Nevermind... found it
<17> hmmm
<17> Has anybody tried it? DSL?
<15> the internet connection?
<17> I have a LiveCD and i want to try it out on my usb thumb drive... but i don't know which device it is
<15> oh Damn Small LInux
<17> no diemos, Damn Small
<15> no, i haven't
<17> how can I know which of the thousand of devices my thumb drive is?????
<16> KvaZz: /dev/sda1, usually
<16> KvaZz: dmesg.
<17> uhh
<0> KvaZz: Usually /dev/sdXX, but you can usually get a hint from dmesg.
<16> KvaZz: will say "usb device connected to /dev/something"
<16> or something
<0> KvaZz: I suggest you use gnome-volume-manager to automatically mount it.
<17> it says something about sda1 having errors and being read only...
<16> KvaZz: heh
<0> Might be time to get it replaced
<17> but... it's the thumb usb i use daily......
<17> ..
<15> what is the /dev entry for a USB DVDRW?
<15> cmon it's not that hard of a question ; ;
<3> diemos: sd[a-z] or sg[0-99]
<12> again dmesg diemos, tho its usually the next hd? thats free, for example 3 hdds and 1 dvdrw its /dev/hdd for me and symmed to /dev/cdrecorder or cdwriter
<3> usb dvdrw will be seen by the kernel as a scsi cdrom
<12> ohh missed the usb
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