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<0> lol
<1> omfg
<1> neoxan: curiosity eats me
<2> Just goes to prove that while it may or may not actually take all kinds, we sure as heck got 'em!
<1> neoxan: nevermind O_o
<3> re
<3> .))
<3> :))
<4> anybody know about IT forensics?
<5> I know that they can retrive files that you don't properly destroy
<4> i've heard cases of those kinds of detectives that recover files after disk formats
<4> woa, that's right
<4> well, can i ask some questions, you must know a bit more than that?
<5> not much more... but hey you never know.
<4> like these programs that wipe the disk, are they any better? can I make one of those with say <iostream> ?
<5> yeah basically the file shredders will write to that sector many times so it's harder but not impossible
<5> if you just delete the file it removes if from the file allocation table but the files is still there
<4> ok, I was thinking about this, why not write the binary of an image (as the mask applied to the bits) that is moved on the surface of the disk iterated for every pixels, that would be pretty much impossible to recover what was before, or am i wrong?
<4> JCD, yea you unlink it, you might want to wipe the allocation table too then, and rewrite the table without the info after?...
<5> the allocation table just links to sectors on the HDD... I think you'd just need to clean the drive.
<4> in C/C++ if I open a file for write, and the file already exists, will I write on the disk where the file is now? or will the file system play a game and store it elsewhere?
<4> JCD, yea I was being paranoid...
<6> he;llo channe;l
<6> is there anyone from switzerland
<5> corto: I think it will write to where the file already exists... but I'm not sure.
<7> corto, how are you opening it ? with open() or with fopen() ?
<4> headmonkey, i'd use whichever does the job! <fstream> is what I usually use.
<7> <fstream> is the c++ equivalent of fopen() in c, so the file will get truncated to 0 length, and then when you start writing to it again, the fs MIGHT write it to the same place, it might not, there is no guarantee
<6> hello
<4> headmonkey, it depends on the system then?
<7> corto, it depends on how the filesystem code is implemented, it depends on how the kernel caches inodes, it depends on whether or not another process is writing, etc, etc, etc.... there is no guarantee
<4> so i would need to use a system dependent call to write to the sectors...
<7> corto, when you open the file, all of its previous inodes get free'd
<5> if you really want to make sure you don't have any incriminating files on you HDD I'd just get a file shredder program
<4> JCD, I'd rather use encryption and keep them safe
<7> corto, if you want to guarantee it gets overwritten, you have to open() it for O_RDWR, write over the data yourself, close it, then reopen it with <fstream> and do your writing
<7> corto, and when you open() it, open it O_DIRECT, and flush your writes to disk before you close it
<4> JCD, I'd just love tellin' the cops: "Your guys must have corrupted the archive when they busted me, I swear the p***word was 'screw_you'".
<7> corto, actually, open() it with O_SYNC flag, which will block until the data has been physically written
<4> ok, you sure that'll do it?
<8> how do I mark multiple files for copying in mc?
<4> sounds like it, but...
<7> corto, man 2 open
<7> read it for yourself, and test your app...and if you want to be 100% certain you dont have an incriminating data on your system, stop storing incriminating data
<9> Hi
<5> tonsofpcs: right click
<5> the file name will turn yello
<8> JCDenton513: that's good, now without a mouse?
<9> I'm not trying to start a flamewar just looking for info which distro is best suited to be used for all these on same box 1)Webserver 2)Iventory Management system 3)Point of Sale PC
<7> windows 2003 rules !
<5> tonsofpcs: now you have me stumped
<4> headmonkey, what if I cant help that my pc is also my own confessionnal?
<7> corto, i dont know what that means
<4> headmonkey, thanks by the way, i'll check on raw() too...
<5> tonsofpcs: insert
<8> thanks
<5> np
<7> what do you mean by "confessional" ?
<4> headmonkey, means I confess my 'sins' in the PC
<7> why do the cops care about your sins ?
<4> headmonkey, it also identifies me as a previous sinner
<7> we are all sinners...who cares
<4> headmonkey, because they care about the one the law has established now.
<7> so you have child porn ? warez ?
<10> is it actually dangerous to write to ntfs from linux?
<4> headmonkey, no really, i do a lot of OpenGL programming and my favorite functions are sin/cos/tan from trigo...
<7> if so, i suggest you stop storing child porn and warez....they are 2 things you can live without
<4> lol
<4> headmonkey, i have worse than that, I have a plan
<4> a map to mischief
<5> no!!! not a plan
<10> whats a plan?
<11> LinuxNIT: yes
<7> well, if you worried about the cops and your hard drive, odds are you arent living your life right
<10> ;)
<10> gufymike, k thanks
<7> if you start living your life right, you wont be worried anymore
<5> you could always rig your HDD to implode
<4> well, if you follow it, at the end you get rich, either there's a treasure or a loot or something cool, sometimes there's nothing though...
<11> you can destroy your partion (read fs), and loose the data on your ntfs partition, which isn't a bad thing ^^
<0> heh
<7> corto, you can get rich legally...the cops arent chasing bill gates
<10> lol
<4> headmonkey, I'm sorry man, i was being paranoid, or just designing a product for paranoid people!
<7> if its a feature of your software, and it protects privacy, go for it
<10> headmonkey, yeah but that guy screwed millions of people in the process :-/
<4> gufymike, i'm sure the forensics can recover a destroyed partition
<11> LinuxNIT: and he never got laid
<10> lol
<7> LinuxNIT, of course he did...everyone that got rich did....the cops screw people everyday....theres no law against screwing people
<10> lol
<11> I'm sure also corto, that isn't the problem, but its a headache doing that
<5> I though there was a rule somewhere, where screwing people against their will is against the law?
<4> gufymike, being paranoid?
<12> JCDenton513, only if the screwing is ***ual in nature.
<11> No, lazy
<11> You go through and recover bits from a ****ty filesystem
<4> gufymike, what if it's the drive of Bin Laden(?)
<4> the cops would do it
<4> what if Bin decides to be my client?
<0> haha
<11> thats right, they would also take apart the drive in a nice chamber meant for that
<11> Thats upt o you to deal with him
<4> i think open with O_DIRECT and O_SYNC will do the trick
<11> personally i don't care
<10> sounds like it would be easier to make a fat32 partition or use ext3 driver for windows
<11> fat32 is the easiest solution LinuxNIT
<0> except for KTorrent!
<4> easiest would be to have the program format securely a partition, that is sure easy, provide the partitioning tool
<11> :P
<10> yeah... but ive been having trouble getting windows to see it... i did mkfs -t vfat /dev/hda2 and mkfs.vfat /dev/hda2
<11> Est solution is not be paranoid and if you get caught be a man and live up to what you did
<11> easiest*
<0> half the letters
<11> I spent too much time being paranoid, I ain't got time for it
<4> gufymike, ok ok i lied guf, there's no crime in my computer, but I was true about the plan
<11> oki,
<11> LinuxNIT: Make it in windows, with partion magic or manager
<10> hmmm i dint think windows was seeing the partitinos.... but ill look again
<10> thanks gufymike
<0> partition magic is nice
<11> np, if you use a 3rd party partition manager it should reconize them but thats it
<0> especially my cracked version from russia!
<4> "supersedes" is spelled with a 's' or 'c'?
<0> c
<5> it looks better with a c
<11> Also, maniopulate them< but the os can't touch them for reading and writing till its either fat or ntfs
<13> It's a c.
<11> supersedes aspell is saying the 's' tho aspell is a typo also
<13> Gah!
<13> Whoops-- it's an s.
<4> well for the blind, google reports 16million instances with 'c' compared to 2.5millions for 's'
<0> aha
<11> You 165 million people can be wrong.
<4> LOL i must be drunk, it's the other way around, 16M for 's' ...
<5> it's ok...
<0> aww
<5> dictionary.com says its supersedes so 2.5million people don't know how to spell supersedes
<4> yup
<4> we may even think a percentage of them did it because they were drunk too
<5> so 2.5million people were drunk while typing in supersedes
<14> Oh my god, JC!
<5> yes?
<4> and that's recorded for today, we could check the trends to see how wrong people can be!
<5> or how many more times people get drunk while typing supersedes... It works both ways really.
<4> damn, google reports: "do not have enough search volume to show graphs"
<0> hahaha
<0> where?
<4> there's surely a linear ***ociation between the two ***ociations
<0> "not enough search volume" lol
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