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<0> I think but I don't remember the name.
<1> Oh, ROFL http://www.nerdsonsite.us
<2> gufymike, I ***ume gtk allows you to enter data in the tree based on some sort of index of the root node ? maybe create your root dirs, store those indexes, then create your first sub level, and add them to the appropriate indexes ? am I making sense ?
<3> Not what I really want atm pheorehs I really don't want to look at code, I just want to concentrate on this, while doing something else, soemthing graphical and something that will subconsciously stimulate my brain to stay thinking in the same terms as programming.
<2> gufymike, like I said man, take a break, you're probably just thinking to hard. and no, I know of no programmer mind stimulating games. but you might want to look at www.brainwavegen.com "brainwave generator, look up google", might help if you believe in that sort of stuff
<3> Yeah you are making some sense, but I don't want to read them all at different times, I want to read once then manipulate from there.
<4> MehAdult, minicom ?
<2> gufymike, sounds like you need some sort of data structure, to add to gtk. what I would do is create the data structure first, make sure my data is correct, then merge it with gtk
<5> gufymike, what are you trying to do ?
<2> gufymike, if you're trying to read your data and add it to your gtk tree at the same time, it can get really complicated
<0> Sounds right.
<6> anyone know anything about psybnc?
<2> treelists are annoying, all the damn api's do them differently, and the whole recursion part can be a bitch and a 1/2
<5> recursion...dont use recursion
<7> man, i'm really diggin' on the lynx text-based web browser! that little application is bad to the bone!
<2> headmonkey, recursion is awesome. makes lazy people's (like myself) life easier, once p***ed the head banging stage ofcourse
<8> lo_tek: did you find its filemanager?
<7> recursion is scary
<5> pheorehs, it runs slower than iterating
<2> lynx rulez the world
<6> im haveing problems with the ip its using. my shell host has multiple ip addresses. 1 default and others for users who want static ips. i can connect to my psybnc on my static ip but it connects to the irc network using the default ip address. can anyone tell me how i can set it to use mine?
<7> lynx's file manager? dired?
<8> yea
<2> headmonkey, that would depend on the case/application I imagine
<7> yeah, i saw it, but haven't tried it
<8> none of the forks do it
<7> dired reminds me of !eeek! emacs
<5> pheorehs, almost always ;)
<3> trying to read one dir, then have a list view (moved from tree) that will have each dir in under the treeview be the iter, for example dir sruct of dir1/ dir1a/ dir1b/ file1 dir1a/file1 dir1a/file2 I want the root to hold dir1/ as an iter with file1 as the child, then with dir1a/ as an iter under the same root with dir1a/file1 and dir1b/file2 as children of the dir1a iter
<6> .join #psybnc
<7> what about w3m or links?
<9> lo_tek, they kick ***
<8> i dont think so
<10> well - bloated in terms of >>1M
<10> for a text browser.
<5> gufymike, theres a couple ways to do that
<9> use vanilla lynx then
<7> omfg! it's over 1 MB?? that's waaaaay too much! lol
<2> gufymike, that's the complicated recursion/iter bit
<7> if it can't fit inside 5k, it's too big ;-)
<5> gufymike, do you want the tree to be in the same order as the physical filesystem, or do you want it sorted ?
<7> recursion seems....incestuous somehow
<9> lo_tek, see McCarthy's original work on the subject
<5> pheorehs, recursion is slower, because it takes less time to decrement/increment a counter and loop than it does to push/pop the call stack
<2> recursion is for the truely twisted, why have many things do 1 thing, when you can have many things figure out how to do everything
<7> i will when i finish a year's worth of reading on my lfs project, hanumizzle, lol
<7> i'm drowning in lfs reading right now, heh
<9> depends...scheme implements proper optimized tail calls
<9> gcc optimizes tail calls as well, IIRC
<2> headmonkey, depends on the language, I don't use C. implementation is different, principal is similar though
<9> pheorehs, what lang do you use?
<3> hm the physical file system is already sorted (its /etc/rc.d )
<5> if you dont use c, your code runs slower anyway so you probably dont care ;)
<2> headmonkey, I would sacrifice 2 seconds here, to speed up ops in the important parts
<7> recurse over and over to...the "base case" and work your way back up/down the stack...
<5> it doesnt speed anything up....people just think its cool
<9> compiled scheme actually runs exceptionally fast
<2> hanumizzle, perl mostly of late. lets me get things done quickly without too much h***le. I would C++ for anything serious though. like converting my big perl progs
<2> headmonkey, damn straight :)
<5> gufymike, private msg ?
<9> pheorehs, I dunno if Perl does tail calls
<7> api's, man, api's - come on! lol
<3> thats fine hm
<5> oops
<2> hanumizzle, tail calls ?
<7> one really neat feature of lynx that i just love is that pressing the = key gives you instant info on the link/url you are visiting right down to the webserver program they are using
<9> pheorehs, the idea of a tail call is that the last func. call in a given func. will return, rather than the redundancy of the function returning the value of its last statement
<2> last time I used C was to create a stupid cgi proggy, had to write the damn cgi interface myself, returned data based on db's. give you results within x miles of entered zipcode.
<9> and tail recursion takes it further
<5> pheorehs, cgi libs exist ;)
<11> lo_tek: /me tries this
<2> headmonkey, sure, now
<9> it essentially implements recursive functions (when properly written), so that they essentially act as gotos
<2> hanumizzle, interesting, can you give an example of a use?
<9> thereby liberating you from the overhead of the pile of stack frames that build up, and the overhead of function calls
<9> sure
<9> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tail_recursion
<7> numa, it won't give you the ip addy, though, you still gotta "dig" for it, heh
<9> the R5RS report on Scheme gives a detailed description of the rationale and process
<9> a bit dense tho... :?
<9> read the Wikipedia article 1st :)
<12> anyone build Xorg 7.1 ?
<9> Shadow_7, no, sorry
<13> weee
<4> MehAdult, its looking for /dev/ttyS1 which does not seem to be present on my system any idea how i can set that to the correct device please ?
<13> hey hanumizzle: did you like puppy?
<14> question: I have an old IBM Thinkpad 770X laptop, PII 300 Mhz, 256MB RAM, about 8GB HDD, and I want a package-based (RPM or .deb) distro that will run smooth. So far, Win2k is too slow. Any suggestions?
<12> or know how to get DRI working in debian etch with Xorg 7.0 ?
<13> puppylinux Hhhhhh :D
<12> y***ine: wouldn't that be one of those getty things in /etc/inittab?
<15> Hhhhhh: DamnSmallLinux should be fine :D
<9> col-panic, shiiiit; I didn't have a chance to try it
<4> Shadow_7, serial device are also handeld there ?
<15> http://www.damnsmalllinux.org
<13> it's built from scratch and has a synaptic-esque package manager
<2> hanumizzle, dense indeed. seems to be strictly an optimization technique
<9> pheorehs, essentially yes
<13> I tried another version of puppy last night, and it was tiight.
<14> are there any non-minidistros? puppy and DSL are good, I might try them but I wanna know if there are any major distros that would work fast enough
<13> Hhhhhh: FreeBSD :>
<14> would debian work ok on this hardware?
<9> Hhhhhh, slackware or vector
<9> or debian
<14> I'd prefer sticking to Linux
<2> hanumizzle, I dunno. I'm sure it's usefull. but I like to abuse my memory ;)
<13> FreeBSD is easy :[
<14> is slack source-based?
<12> debian is not optimized beyond i386.
<9> pheorehs, I beg yr pardon?
<11> lo_tek: this is cool :-)
<2> after all how will you know where the bugs are if it doesn't crash after every run
<12> gentoo might be faster if you've got the cpu/time
<7> puppy is unbelievably fast and small, but it doesn't seem to let you be any user other than root as far as i can tell
<9> pheorehs, I don't get it
<13> 300mhz < gentoo
<11> quite useful
<13> from what I've heard anyway
<14> lo_tek, hmm, yea, hopefully I wouldn't want to have to log in as root
<2> hanumizzle, optimization is fine and good. but if I got ram to spare. I'm gonna use it for sake of simplicity. just my own style, is all
<7> nima, pressing 'h' and then hitting the "key-strokes" link will give you all kinds of cool little things you can do
<14> also I don't want a source-based distro
<14> I want a package-based one
<9> pheorehs, oh, that's cool...I usually write things iteratively in Perl
<14> RPM, .deb or something else along the same lines
<9> unless I *need* recursion
<7> Hhhhhh, i'm building a system from raw scratch via lfs, lol
<14> hehe
<13> oh, so you want it done for you :[
<13> Rh7 Hhhhhh
<14> I might try that some other time, when I have more time
<13> :|
<16> lo_tek: Have fun :>
<12> You can optimize most linux's though. If you compile your own kernel, video, media drivers. And otherwise run minimal things most of the time.
<7> i am, DerJamster!
<14> col-panic, yea, I want it done for me :) I want something newer than RH7 though, but thanks
<7> using the livecd now
<12> Plus a good filesystem for your resources.
<13> xchat+firefox+xmms+burning a cd in puppy uses 60m of ram.
<13> I've tested it trust me.
<2> hanumizzle, need is just a way of saying I don't feel like doing it another way, to abstract from the perl motto :)
<7> really KEWL little cd that gives one basic cli environment with all the basic toolz
<13> Try debian Hhhhhh
<16> Shadow_7: Yeah. My normal Debian box is pretty much booting in 15 s. All that took was the custom kernel and cleaning up services.
<9> col-panic, first change I get, I try Puppy 2.00 Seamonkey...promise
<13> synaptic owns.
<13> hanumizzle: unless you have newer hardware dont try puppy2
<14> col-panic, what are the default WMs in debian?
<13> kernel 2.6 :|
<7> i tried debian... i was VERY disappointed in debian
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