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<0> if you have already pissed him off with pam
<1> I need to bump the voltage, as it boots fine overclocked to a 4800, but wont compile.
<0> why not just go whole hog?
<2> ...which originally we were replacing because it was needed to make it work on slack 8, 9, and 10 at the same time
<3> my vcore=1.41 volts.
<2> ...and now we're still replacing because it's hard to back out of that kind of change, and because we're determined to get X7 shipping before the end of this month, with compiz
<2> Martian67: We're not going "whole hog" because normally Patrick does a very fine job of the base
<0> hmm
<2> There's literally only two things I can criticize about the entire CD1 from Slack 10.2.
<2> 1. dhclient is still broken as hell.
<2> 2. Gcc has some "fixed" headers included in it which break **** when you try to build X7
<2> ...and 2 is pretty damn minor
<2> ...like "not worth fixing" minor.
<0> i see
<0> what about your alsamixer or pam issues?
<2> PAM is basically needed for a workstation that's going to have multiple people on it.
<2> Without PAM, neither login, nor gdm/xdm/kdm are bright enough to be able to manage the console securely.
<0> hmm
<2> The stuff Pat says about PAM is right on all other counts tho... PAM is a *royal bitch on a full moon* to work with.
<4> Hi
<2> The alsamixer thing I think was just "developer lag"
<0> i guess i can understand that viewpoint
<0> his desire always has been to keep slackware simple
<0> and easy to understand
<2> Well, there's "simple" and then there's "crude".
<0> PAM would have alot of people clueless
<0> (like me0
<5> anyone try wine 0.9.9 yet?
<0> pbransford: that reminds me of some other stuff i have seen
<2> What gets on my nerves is the clueless fools claiming Dropline is "teh intrusive"
<0> next will come 0.9.9.9
<6> anyone know how to get cp to show a progress bar?
<0> and then 0.9.9.9.9
<0> its like warpspeed
<7> No, next will be 0.9.10.
<0> you can never approch 0.10
<0> :)
<0> err
<0> 10
<0> :P
<5> well start measuring in decimal digits instead...
<8> most likely 0.9.10 i asume
<5> wine 0.9x100
<0> [19:19] <6> anyone know how to get cp to show a progress bar? << rewrite cp :P
<0> you may be able to hack out a shellscript
<2> joesboxd3b: It doesn't. Period.
<2> ...rather than let him struggle along refusing to read a man page.
<0> but all it will do is make your copying slower
<6> ok... where can i download the source for cp.. i have looked at gnu.org and then thru google... i found a patch to allow the progress bar but i don't know where to get the source code
<0> its in the baseutils package
<2> You didn't look hard enough.
<0> you need to dl the whole package
<2> fileutils
<0> err yea
<6> thanks Martian67
<0> dont thank me
<0> i really didnt say anything useful :P
<0> joesboxd3b: all i can see a progress bar doing is ****ing with piping
<2> It *might* have been merged into coreutils, I dunno. I know Slack still has it in fileutils-4.1
<0> and making alot of **** break
<2> ftp://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/coreutils/coreutils-5.2.1.tar.gz or ftp://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/fileutils/fileutils-4.1.tar.gz, probably the latter
<9> joesboxd3b: pipebench perhaps?
<6> codergeek42: !!!!!!!!!!
<6> pipebench?
<9> pipebench </from/file >/to/file
<6> i don't understand
<9> shows how fast the transfer happens as it happens
<6> ok
<0> joesboxd3b: generally it is a really bad idea to change the functionality of your tools in /bin
<0> thats a great way to get very very strange bugs poping up in your distros shellscripts
<6> Martian67: i was planning on making a different version with a different name
<0> that would be wise
<6> i wasn't going to change the functionality of cp...
<9> Martian67: well if you're adding functionality which does break older scripts (like a new command line option which defaults to disabled) then it doesn't seem harmful to me tbh
<9> *which does not
<6> codergeek42: pipebench will copy it ?
<9> joesboxd3b: it copies everything from standard input to standard output, showing how fast it transfers the data
<6> codergeek42: thanks
<9> so the </from/file connects the stdin to the file you want to copy from, and the >/to/file connects stdout to the file you want to copy to
<9> joesboxd3b: sure :)
<6> Martian67: you did help.. you didn't give me smart *** remarks
<0> joesboxd3b: i have a better idea with this pipebench alias a command
<0> that masks c
<0> *cp
<0> in interactive shells
<6> codergeek42: do i need the < and >?
<0> it wont effect scripts at all
<6> pipebench </from/file >/to/file
<9> joesboxd3b: yeah, since it only copies from standard in to standard out
<9> so the </from/file connects the stdin to the file you want to copy from, and the >/to/file connects stdout to the file you want to copy to
<6> gotcha
<9> (at least, with sh-like syntax...)
<0> joesboxd3b: just set up an alias with it
<6> son of a gun
<6> i don't have pipebench installed
<0> get it
<0> GOOGLE!
<6> looking
<0> before you ask
<9> joesboxd3b: what distro?
<6> i know... i was just making a statement
<6> using apt-cache to look
<0> why would that be turned on by default :/
<6> codergeek42: i am using debian etch
<9> Martian67: stateful packet filtering allows for persistent sessions across TCP and other protocols (i.e., data from webserver foo.com would be allowed through your firewall because you earlier sent it an HTTP request for some data)
<2> SPI *isn't* on by default on these things.
<2> I think that's just a screwup
<0> ah
<10> Dagmar, was on mine
<9> Time for some dinner :)
<2> roblaptop: weirdness
<2> It was breaking the Netgear 54g router my housemate just got last night when I was testing
<10> I've got a netgear wireless/adsl router, can't remember the model
<2> If I were still at home, I'd factory reset it again to double-check, but I know SPI is off right now because I'm not bothering to turn on something like that on a limited machine
<2> half-***ed inspection I don't see as being useful
<10> I agree that its useless, but it was on (I've factory reset it once before, was on after that too)
<2> It is protecting you from teh ev0l intarwebs
<10> not really :)
<2> To a degree it is
<2> I *ahem* know people *kofkof* who've performed DDoS attacks by spoofing DCC SENDs to a channel
<10> heh, mine wasn't venerable
<2> hohoh. My firewall, now that's venerable
<2> Celery 400
<2> The backup firewall is very venerable... k6 333.
<2> I've a P200 around here somewhere I should actually just give away at this point
<0> Dagmar: your firewall is still much more powerful than anything you buy from a store :)
<10> I was going to put a spare k6 550 to use as a smoothwall box again
<10> I stuck Ubuntu on it and gave it to the kids a few months ago, but screw them :)
<0> Dagmar: slackware has a pretty nice firewall script
<0> but i didnt know that untill AFTER i rolled my own
<2> Since when
<0> for some retarded reason its in /etc/ppp/
<2> It's got a hook for rc.firewall, but that's about it
<0> look in /etc/ppp/
<2> I don't have pppd installed.
<0> oh
<0> well it is in there :P
<0> and by nice i really mean
<2> If I get lucky I might find time to complete a real one to submit for possible inclusion in 11
<0> "it works"
<0> :P
<0> its accually just the commands
<2> I need to finish up the netmask computation functions
<2> IF pat will put the iproute2 package in Slack11 it will make my life easier
<0> cidr is fun :)
<2> It's the _sane_ way to do things
<0> what does it do?
<0> bah who needs sanity :P
<2> Well, for one thing, the iproute2 package comes with the `ip` utility.
<2> ...which you can use instead of ifconfig, because it takes CIDR arguments and gives responses in CIDR.
<0> hmm
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