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<ninjaz2> it has been mentioned on slashdot a few timse
<JMGriffing> phycho: I tried installing Fedora because I'd worked on trying to learn Red Hat years ago, but I'm running into problems with the Fedora installer.
<phycho> the UK isps limit other voip providers to crappy speeds
<ninjaz2> they were trying to charge the websites, to
<ninjaz2> too*
<phycho> and prioritise their own voip servies
<ohgood> Kevin`: or, they could be killed by free city wifi (or almost free)
<phycho> they are scum
<ninjaz2> ohgood: I thought they already bought a law to outlaw free city wifi
<phycho> JMGriffing - ah k, debian is probably a good easy distro to learn
<Kevin`> the city wifi needs to be plugged in somewhere
<Kevin`> to one of those companies
<phycho> the city wifi needs a backhaul to the net
<ohgood> ninjaz2: not all cities, states
<phycho> could do a state > state link i suppose
<ninjaz2> ah, ok
<phycho> and build a state wide network
<phycho> but thats still gonna need to be plugged in for transit to other places
<ninjaz2> well there are state highways so they could lay state fiber. :-)
<Kevin`> how do you get across the ocean
<phycho> sat links
<ohgood> anyway, it's all theoretical bablespeak. if the gob't is involved, it will take 20 years to implement
<phycho> or undersea cabling
<Kevin`> hwo owns those
<infi> a series of rafts
<Kevin`> lol rafts :)
<phycho> Kevin` - could run your own
<infi> bamboo is cheap, don't knock it
<phycho> ***uming you can afford it ;-)
<Kevin`> nobody can afford it
<phycho> no digging up roads etc
<infi> yeah, but the giant squids are always eating the lines up
<phycho> lol
<D|G|TAL> phycho: you'll only need a carrier ship to get you across and pay the people, work environment allowances that would be higher than your whole year's income
<phycho> lol
<ohgood> blah. tierd netwroking is fine, until you are sued for not delivering promised speeds (think cl*** action)
<phycho> D|G|TAL - yeah but if you lay fibre in the ground, then you must pay to dig up, pay council, then you need to pay 'rent' on the ground
<phycho> and all sorts of ****
<phycho> ohgood - the problem is, a lot of these slashdot users are moaning about their DSL gonna be crippled by the likes of verizon running their own services on the same network
<phycho> and they really dont have a leg to stand on
<phycho> 1) its verizon's network
<phycho> and 2) they dont have guarenteed bandwidth service levels
<phycho> so they can effectively give you **** all bandwidth and get away with it
<phycho> unless you have a SLA (service level agreement)
<imphasing> I need a good GUI file browser..
<imphasing> That isn't gnome related.
<Kevin`> xterm
<ohgood> phycho: don't underestiamte the power of stupid people in numbers (+lawyers)
<infi> explorer.exe
<imphasing> dork.
<phycho> ohgood - i use adsl-optimiser
<infi> nautilus
<ohgood> imphasing: ROX-FIler is excellent
<phycho> ohgood - true, but they will probably not win the case.
<imphasing> Hmm..
<Kevin`> kde's one is nice
<imphasing> I'll check that out.
<phycho> there will be a clause in the t+c
<phycho> uk isps have been getting away with it for years
<ohgood> imphasing: gentoo-filer is good too
<phycho> offering 'up to' 2mbit and delivering 64kbps at peak times.
<ohgood> phycho: nice
<tgwj> mc
<phycho> ohgood - one of the uk isps has 24,000 adsl customers (2mbit customers) on 3gbit of bandwidth
<slpyhd> gentoo-filer?
<Psycho-MaN> hello!I have a huge file (about 700MB) and i want to take the first eg 10MB..how can i do it?using cat , cp or dd or whatever?
<phycho> with traffic shaping equipment killing practically everything.
<slpyhd> hmm checking it out
<imphasing> ohgood: Alright, thanks.
<ohgood> slpyhd: yes. been around a long time
<ohgood> imphasing: :)
<Kevin`> dd if=file bs=1M count=10 of=part
<Dagmar> Psycho-MaN: dd if=blah of=blahfoo bs=1 count=300000000000000
<Dagmar> If you actually copy that 3... number you're an idiot tho
<imphasing> ohgood: I'm trying to de-gnome my computer. The little buggers got everywhere..
<Psycho-MaN> count takes as arguments bytes or KB?
<Dagmar> It's pretty straightforward
<I_v0> what do you think about storing user base + their p***words on another machine that can only append data (no erasing)
<I_v0> ??
<ohgood> imphasing: i see. yes, you hsould ilke ROX very much then.
<Dagmar> count goes in blocks. bs (block size) is being set to 1 in that example
<Kevin`> Psycho-MaN block
<Kevin`> s
<tgwj> de-gnoming was as easy as installing kde for me.....
<ohgood> imphasing: it's fast as chuck on fire
<imphasing> I'm using the Ion WM now, which is really nice..
<Dagmar> I_v0: Screw that. Go on ebay. Spend $20 on a used Visor Handspring. Get YAPS (http://www.msbsoftware.ch/yaps.html) and install it and keep your p***words on that
<Kevin`> I_v0 sounds kinda dumb
<Psycho-MaN> Kevin` and one block is at max 8k?
<Psycho-MaN> or i am wrong
<tgwj> mc is a really nice console-based FM...
<Psycho-MaN> ?
<D|G|TAL> you're wrong
<Dagmar> I_v0: I've been using the thing for about five years now.
<tgwj> and the xfce file manager is good too (dunno that name now)
<ohgood> Psycho-MaN: what are you copying/imaging ?
<Dagmar> I_v0: I have probably 300 p***words in it, ~80 of which are p***words to systems
<imphasing> Oh, mc is nice..
<I_v0> Dagmar Visor Handspring ? what's that?
<Psycho-MaN> an avi file
<redduck666> tgwj, xffm, and i prefer coreutils to manage files
<Dagmar> I_v0: It's a small PDA that runs on a pair of AA batteries
<phycho> sweet
<ohgood> Psycho-MaN: you want ot re-encode it, not just split with dd
<tgwj> redduck666 oerfectly understandable ;)
<Psycho-MaN> split only:-)
<Dagmar> I_v0: Any PalmOS compatible PDA will do tho
<Dagmar> You could do it with one of those cheap Zire 21's
<D|G|TAL> he may just want to copy the first few scenes that offer the best porn out of the whole
<I_v0> Dagmar the question is will Slackware do?
<phycho> lol
<ohgood> Psycho-MaN: i see
<Dagmar> Considering there's a Windows app to read the p***word database, it's just about a perfect solution
<Kevin`> next pda I buy will have linux on it
<Dagmar> I_v0: Will slackware do for what?
<Dagmar> I_v0: It's *not* safe to keep p***words unencrypted on a network-connected machine.
<I_v0> Dagmar nvm :)
<ohgood> Psycho-MaN: 'split' wouldn't work for you ?
<Dagmar> Just take my word on it that spending $20 on a used PDA from somewhere is way worth it
<I_v0> Dagmar well unless it's a special device connected to paraller port
<Kevin`> I got a visor handspring for free, as oddity has it
<ohgood> Dagmar: find me a wifi capable pda for <$50 ? ;)
<imphasing> mc + ion = really cool desktop
<slpyhd> drains battery fast
<Dagmar> ohgood: Maybe in the fall there'll be an opensource IP stack for the Nintendo DS and you can get a used one
<Dagmar> ohgood: Wireless ain't cheap, used or not.
<slpyhd> I have a little cf wificard
<ohgood> Dagmar: i konw, let me dream
<Dagmar> slpyhd: That thing work with anything other than the Zire 71 yet?
<slpyhd> mine works on a zaurus
<Dagmar> ...maybe it was the 73
<Dagmar> Ah
<slpyhd> it's a Socket
<slpyhd> low power supposedly
<slpyhd> not terrible good reach
<slpyhd> but betetr than bluetooth I guess
<turbofisk> how do I tell apt-get upgrade not to upgrade one item?
<slpyhd> I use my pda only as mp3 player hehe
<slpyhd> and for toying
<raf256[laptop]> turbofisk: perhaps use synaptic go to "upgradable" and mark all except that one
<turbofisk> okay
<raf256[laptop]> or aptitude
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