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<ninjaz2> well, nevermind about that system.map crap then.
<micty> and I can see the apps with ps
<Dagmar> DaBlade: If you don't mind a little coding, http://www.droplinegnome.org/home/dagmar/installkernel should get you a good start at automating that so you don't have to screw araound with it again
<ninjaz2> my box has system maps anyway though.
<micty> but how do I get them back to the front?
<Dagmar> DaBlade: As it stands that only works "out of hte box" for Slackware, but it should be easy enough to modify. All you do is plop it into /sbin and if you do `make install` from /usr/src/linux it will do *all* the installation stuff
<DaBlade> Dagmar: For Lilo..
<ninjaz2> micty: I couldn't get that working either, when I was using that. I ended up using windowmaker in desktop mode
<Dagmar> DaBlade: Look at the script. All you really have to do is remove the lilo invocation at the end
<DaBlade> ok...
<Dagmar> DaBlade: It should on most systems do the relevant copying of things to /boot
<Kevin`> Dagmar does it backup the previous kernel?
<DaBlade> Why don't you submit that script to the kernel mailing list? :P
<Dagmar> Kevin`: In theory the previous kernel will have a different name
<Dagmar> DaBlade: Because everyone that cares already has one. That's why that hook to call /sbin/installkernel is in the kernel makefiles
<Noet> always as a precausion, when compiling a new kernel
<Noet> DO NOT name it the same as the last one, so that if somethign goes wrong=can't boot
<Noet> you can always go back to your old kernel and fix the problem
<Dagmar> Kevin`: If the new kernel is say, 2.6.15.1 it'll copy bzImage to /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.15.1
<Dagmar> Kevin`: Then it makes a symlink from /boot/vmlinuz to point at it
<Kevin`> hmm, but if you reconfigure the kernel it wouldn't change the name
<Dagmar> Kevin`: It does if you're making use of the kernel name param
<Dagmar> Generally I don't have to ever build a kernel more than once anymore
<Dagmar> Anyway,, the idea is to not have to screw around with manually installing the kernel.
<Noet> i dont mind building kernels, at least when you know your hardwarde
<Noet> hardware*
<Dagmar> It's *not* for double-checking that you've not somehow set yourself on a course for self-destruction
<Noet> then you can add/remove whatever you want from the kernel, to optimize it.
<Dagmar> Noet: Generally I don't remove anything anymore... I just relegate it to being a module
<Dagmar> It saves a lot of h***le if someone brings over some strange USB device
<Noet> Dagmar, normally me to, but sometimes i've tried to optimize it a little bit.
<Kevin`> lots of modules
<Kevin`> I think i'm using right now all the modules I have
<Noet> =)
<Dagmar> If you build pretty much everything as modules, you don't really have to worry about dealing with drivers much anymore
<Dagmar> Yay kmod/udev
<Dagmar> It becomes... OMGOPTIMIZED!
<Kevin`> lol
<Noet> i'm telling you, something i happen to do once
<Noet> was to have ext3 as Module, took a while for me to figure out that i happened to set it to Module
<Dagmar> A while?
<Noet> (can't have it as module if you're base system uses ext3)
<Kevin`> how did you start your computer
<Dagmar> I'd have thought the kernel panic would get your attention pretty fast
<Dagmar> It got mine the one time I forgot
<Noet> Kevin`, by having the old kernel with another name?
<Noet> Dagmar, well that was long time ago, when i still was pretty new to linux
<Noet> = my first kernel kompilation
<Dagmar> I was just drunk. Heh
<Noet> ^^
<Dagmar> it was just bad luck
<Dagmar> I've gone around fixing people's computers at 'cons so plastered I didn't even know what I was typing
<Dagmar> ...but the things would always boot back up working properly
<Noet> yeah
<Dagmar> I was so blasted I couldn't count my own fingers at Phreaknic 3 or 4
<Noet> hehe
<Dagmar> Someone would call me over to their room because their box had broken and I'd fix it and they'd be "Hey man, thanks, drink some of this" or "Wow great, here smoke this"
<Dagmar> After about three hours of that I couldn't rememebr which arm my watch was on
<Dagmar> Obviously, I spend WAY too much time working on Linux machines if the knowledge has migrated all the way out to the autonomic nervous system and reflexes
<Dagmar> There's a good chance I'll still be able to fix machines after I'm dead, if they keep me proper refridgerated
<TheBonsai> heh
<PurpleSmurf> that's so sad LOL
<Dagmar> I vaguely remember saying "Hey man, I don't know what the hell I'm typing but it doesn't look like it's causing error messges"
<PurpleSmurf> you could scare kids to avoid drinking and drugs telling them that story
<Dagmar> Oh I could scare them a lot worse than that with other things
<Dagmar> One of these days I'm going to remember to kill off all those binds I never use in BitchX
<ChrisBradley> All in one system restore kits are such bull****
<infi> ah, the good old days. I did that too. I used to answer calls from the junior admins like that, and I'd be out at a club and completely faded, walking them through unix commands over the phone :)
<ChrisBradley> I'm trying to install XP side by side with Debian from a "system restore kit"
<infi> slurring so I'd have to repeat myself
<Dagmar> hehehe
<ninjaz2> the best is getting on bridge calls in that state with senior management on the line during an outage
<ChrisBradley> Looks like an impossibility for the time being
<ChrisBradley> So I've wiped the drive for the 8th time today and I'm installing Win2k until Monday
<Dagmar> ChrisBradley: Unless the thing is Ghost-based you generally want to just hope and pray it won't blow away your Linux install, leave it a good chunk of unpartitioned space to work with, and keep a copy of Partition Magic handy when it doesn't (be have time to reinstall Linux)
<dma147> morning...
<ChrisBradley> Nah
<Dagmar> s/be/and/
<ChrisBradley> Just use the Debian Partitioner
<Phasip> Is there any command to mute the microphone?
<Kevin`> Phasip pick a mixer and use it
<Phasip> I looked in alsamixer but I can't find any other way to mute the microphone than changing to mic2 - and I don't wanna do that
<ChrisBradley> That reminds me - if there's enough left over - we're going to get a Plantronics headset
<Dagmar> phasip Dude you're overlooking something obvious then
<Kevin`> root@kevinl:~# chmod -x `which X`
<Kevin`> root@kevinl:~# reboot
<Kevin`> bai
<ChrisBradley> There is the off chance that the superbowl will amp things up tomorrow...
<ChrisBradley> or should I say today
<Dagmar> Phasip: `amixer scontrols` dude
<Dagmar> Phasip: It's rather likely that `amixer sset 'Mic' mute` will work
<Dagmar> Phasip: `amixer sset 'Mic',0 mute` might be neccessary
<Dagmar> When you want to do specific, "atomic" things, amixer is a little easier to work with than alsamixer
<Kevin`> :/
<Dagmar> borkborkbork
<Phasip> Hmpf, muting didn't work
<Phasip> amixer sset 'Mic Select' 'Mic2' worked tho
<Phasip> I guess I have to use that then
<Dagmar> Perhaps you should say what it is you're trying to do
<Kevin`> do you mean mic input, or mic -> speakers
<Phasip> mic input
<Kevin`> ah
<Dagmar> ...instead of obsessing over the wrong task
<Phasip> I want to get a "talk key" for ventrilo since the function they have does not seem to work with wine
<Dagmar> Buy a headset with a switch on it then
<Phasip> I want a no-cost solution
<infi> heh
<Kevin`> so your sending audio all the time?
<Dagmar> Then fix your WINE config
<Kevin`> Phasip add a switch to it, ie soldering iron
<Dagmar> Or h***le them to add a VOX solution to the code
<Phasip> I want the talk key on mouse4 =P
<Dagmar> DDO has VOX so it's not like it's hideously hard to implement
<coolpix> oi
<Kevin`> are they any open source programs like that?
<Dagmar> Nothing other than say, Gnomemeeting
<Kevin`> :/
<Dagmar> ...which recently got the obligatory lunatic name change
<Dagmar> I swear its' like some of these apps are going back to their african roots or something
<drummer87> hi.. anyone here from australia and more specifically have internet access with optus?
<Dagmar> One day you hit their homepage and they've changed their name to something like "Dweezilsan"
<infi> what, Ekiga?
<ChrisBradley> Oh yeah - I'm armed and dangerous now - got my first wireless router and cable modem - bought them.
<infi> oh cool, and it's even pronounced completely different than it is spelled
<ChrisBradley> Now I gotta figure out how they work...LOL
<Dagmar> infi: Hehe yeah
<Kevin`> ChrisBradley does the router run linux?
<Dagmar> infi: NOW you see what I'm talking about
<ChrisBradley> I think so
<ninjaz2> Ekiga!
<ChrisBradley> Linux detected it
<Kevin`> ChrisBradley that would be internet standards talking
<ninjaz2> like Cedega
<Kevin`> doesn't tell you what it's running
<ninjaz2> I wodner what the deal is with choosing unmemorable nonsense names
<Dagmar> uPNP
<ChrisBradley> Hmmmm.... well it went something like this
<Dagmar> ninjaz2: It's to ensure the name is equally hard to remember and pronounce in every language
<ChrisBradley> I scrapped XP and installed Debian with the "Laptop Components"
<ChrisBradley> and it installed a whole bunch of wireless stuff
<ChrisBradley> That was from Etch though - I don't know if they come on the Sarge CD
<ninjaz2> heh, having "gnome" in the name was not usable, and it's no longer a netmeeting clone, so "meeting" is right out, too!
<ChrisBradley> When I get the cable trap resolved on Monday
<ChrisBradley> This should scream
<ninjaz2> the new name ekiga ushers in a new era of usability!
<Dagmar> ninjaz2: That's why they had to break out the alphabetical Yahtzee dice
<ninjaz2> Dagmar: I'm not buying it, though.
<ninjaz2> I think "meeting" kind of gives an idea of what it does, no matter what standard it implements.
<ChrisBradley> I preferred craps for a time...
<ninjaz2> and the gnome prefix is a nice warning label that you're going to need 200M of libs, etc
<ChrisBradley> 7 - 5 - 2 - 4 - 9 - 7 - OUT
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