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<blz321> debian colinux rite?
<Kevin`> debian x86
<Noet> debian != colinux, colinux might be based off debian tho(not sure never used colinux)
<blz321> wat does x86 mean
<Dagmar> No, Kevin very sensibly doesn't try to break Linux by attempting to run it under a toy OS like XP
<blz321> and is that its own shell
<Kevin`> ^
<blz321> Dagmar: wats that mean
<blz321> how else could u run both linux n winxp?
<Noet> blz321, linux > windows, combine linux+windows = disaster :)
<ninjaz2> Noet: colinux is a kernel port that runs on windows
<Noet> ninjak, k
<Dagmar> blz321: It means that if I'd had the m***ive problems with colinux you've been trying to get help with here, I'd have LONG AGO thrown the damn CD out the window and into interstate traffic
<PeanutHorst> LACE
<ninjaz2> hehehe
<PeanutHorst> Linux Application Compatibility Environment
<blz321> colinux is awesome
<redduck666> blz321, dude you`ve said that several times
<PeanutHorst> or Line - Line Is No Emulator
<blz321> and so is winxp, the whole world cant be so retarded that they just keep using winxp
<redduck666> blz321, we understood!
<Dagmar> Strangely, I can run all this stuff without having to pay someone $20e for colinux, or $150 for WinXP
<ninjaz2> wow Dagmar ! how do you do it?
<Dagmar> ninjaz2: Reading, mostly.
<blz321> thats awesome too
<ninjaz2> I read a lot, too!
<blz321> if you were so broke you couldnt afford to get a normal laptop from best buy or something that laready has winxp
<Dagmar> Most importantly, I consult the documentation that ships with anything I have a problem with
<ninjaz2> maybe we read different stuff, though.
<blz321> who the hell buys os's anways unless they're building pcs
<Kevin`> businesses
<Noet> i have buyed an OS one time like 10-12 years ago
<hawking> does someone have GeoIPOrg.dat?
<Noet> when i bought my first computer, since it got shipped with it =)
<Dagmar> I usually just get the OEM version of XP, since I'm the original equipment manufacturer
<Noet> bought*
<infi> I bought slackware 2.1
<blz321> wats slackware
<ninjaz2> I got some mandriva 2006 cd's a couple months back for around $10
<Dagmar> infi: That came with the Sam's book did it?
<Noet> ninjak, i rather just d/l+burn it down on cd's, get it for like half or the price or less =)
<Kevin`> slackware is a linux distrobution, and one I like btw
<Woosta> what's around that will convert an mp3 into a wav?
<Noet> but ofc, if you got slow connection that might not be an option.
<ninjaz2> Noet: they only make all 7 cd's available to club members though
<Kevin`> i
<ninjaz2> so, I just wait for the cheap cd vendors who are club members to start selling them. ;)
<Noet> ninjak, ah then thats why =)
<blz321> so Dagmar, have i convinced you to switch to colinux yet?
<Kevin`> hah
<Dagmar> blz321: I'd rather burn my own eyes out
<AnAnt> how do I configure the SMTP server in mutt ?
<Noet> blz321, you should really consider trying out a real distro, start with a live distro or so. Promise you that you will love it more then colinux =)
<blz321> but how will i be able to use winxp?
<Kevin`> reboot
<Noet> Live distro = booting from cd, non-live distro = dual boot
<Dagmar> Thats really all it amounts to
<Dagmar> Dual booting is easy
<ninjaz2> personally i see not using windows xp as an advantage.
<Noet> just use 2/more separate partitions
<ninjaz2> although I could have gotten a $5 gift certificate earlier for installing the windows genunie component if I had windows.
<Noet> ninjak, only time i'm using xp is when doing things that can't be done in linux. Or that might be faster under windows
<ninjaz2> but, that would have required spending $100 or whatever on winxp
<ninjaz2> so even for that, it's a net gain to not use windows.
<Noet> hehe
<Kevin`> someone help me with this please, starting an X server has caused my console to become now very dim, and unusable
<TimeZer0> Anybody who can help me comprehend how to test rear channels of a soundcard using alsa?
<redduck666> Kevin`, `reset'?
<ninjaz2> Kevin`: maybe the there is a hardware support issue in the x server you've got
<Kevin`> redduck666 no, that did not help
<ninjaz2> mine changed to weird colors when using the mandriva-supplied xorg with my radeon 7500
<ninjaz2> so I had to get the SoS packages.
<Dagmar> Kevin`: What video card?
<Kevin`> /bin/sh: line 1: lspci: command not found
<ninjaz2> :o
<Kevin`> grr
<Kevin`> brb
<blz321> how do u stop kde
<blz321> or gnome-session
<Kevin`> ProN00b:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corp. 82845G/GL [Brookdale-G] Chipset I
<Kevin`> ntegrated Graphics Device (rev 03)
<blz321> from the command line
<Dagmar> blz321: You click the logout button
<Dagmar> Kevin`: That's one of those integrated i810-types isn't it?
<Dagmar> I was going to say it sounds like a bad gamma setting, but I've no idea
<mina_linux_Tux> can i go with main-memory increase instead of processor cache ?
<Kevin`> Dagmar that's what it looks like, but how would I fix it
<Dagmar> blz321: They don't have command line tools for that, aside from maybe `killall gnome-session` or whatever KDE uses
<blz321> ok cool
<blz321> so
<blz321> when u guys start up ur computers
<blz321> does it start in kde or gnome? or does it start in command line?
<Dagmar> Kevin`: I dunno... You might want to check the man page for that X driver (maybe man i810)
<Noet> blz321, i can choose whatever i want to start before i login =)
<Kevin`> blz321 gdm and command line, one on each computer
<ninjaz2> blz321: mine goes to kdm
<Dagmar> Kevin`: There *hopefully* an option you can set in your xorg.conf to override it
<Noet> whatever it be kde/fluxbox/gnome/etc.
<Noet> gnome is my default one tho
<ninjaz2> and then from kdm, I can choose the window manager!
<blz321> but these environents are like winxp
<ninjaz2> I choose kde, normally.
<Kevin`> Dagmar fyi, this just started to be a problem when I updated to 2.6.15.2
<ninjaz2> blz321: not really, they don't start running a bunch of spyware. :-)
<Dagmar> Kevin`: Okay, so there was likely a change to the kernel driver part of that then... Maybe do a modinfo on that to find out what parameters it takes?
<blz321> but can they be affected by spyware like winxp?
<ninjaz2> blz321: well, theoretically they could be, but they aren't.
<Dagmar> Kevin`: Basicall,y if you're going to use that chipset, there's no point in being squeamish. Might as well go ahead and read everything you can about both the kernel module and the xorg driver for that chipset
<Dagmar> blz321: Hah no
<ninjaz2> Dagmar: all you need is a moron at the controls and a firefox extension. ;)
<Dagmar> ninjaz2: Even that won't let the spyware really hook back in
<ninjaz2> yeah I guess it wouldn't be as bad as windows, where it infiltrates the whole OS
<Noet> windows+spyware = the **** :/
<ninjaz2> but, still, it could hook itself into the user's .profile and spy on the user
<Dagmar> Eventually someone's going to gete around to releasing one of these 'signed binaries' mods I keep seeing from time to time
<blz321> ok guys, you've been great, nice meeting you and im sure ill see you again
<Noet> c'ya blz321
<blz321> Dagmar: inside i know you're a windows xp guy
<Kevin`> http://kwzs.dyndns.org/typescript
<Dagmar> The best one I've seen so far was kind of memory-intensive tho
<ninjaz2> nite blz321 !
<Dagmar> blz321: Might as well accuse me of being a child molester
<blz321> lataz
<Dagmar> I don't molest them
<Noet> =)
<DaBlade> Hey people.
<Dagmar> Chopping them up with chainsaws isn't molestation
<DaBlade> Lame question here:
<Kevin`> Dagmar, see anything helpful?
<DaBlade> After I've built a kernel, how do I install it?
<Dagmar> Whatever it takes to keep them from becoming Windows users
<Dagmar> DaBlade: You use lilo to boot?
<DaBlade> I don't remember...it's been ages since I last did it.
<DaBlade> Dagmar: Of course not..
<Dagmar> DaBlade: I'm out then. I use lilo
<DaBlade> Grub.
<Dagmar> I've no idea about grub
<Noet> DaBlade, copy the image to /boot, and add it to the list?
<DaBlade> Noet: Yeah, but what about the modules and all the other stuff?
<micty> hi
<Kevin`> make modules_install
<micty> I am trying to contact one comp from another( with cygwinX)
<DaBlade> k
<ninjaz2> and System.map! won't someone please think of the System.map?
<micty> I can open windows of the remote host
<Noet> ninjak, system.map isn't needed anymore iirc
<ninjaz2> oh, ok
<micty> but when I click on the background everything disapear
<ninjaz2> well, nevermind about that system.map crap then.


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