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<infi> then I went to unix, and never looked back (most recent job excepted)
<orlok> PeterFA: you just have to think like you are mentally challenged and need to put an extra step that makes no sense into everything
<Sneaky_Bastard> Mounted Cardboard Sales Enhancer
<PeterFA> They'd be like, "****, Linus took this test? We'll give him a 0." And then they say, "Linus failed our simple and easy test! OSS ****s!!"
<araujo> Anybody knows how can i run priviliged X applications from a normal user?
<PeterFA> orlok, these certs I hear are just jokes in the IT world, which I can see why.
<PeterFA> araujo, yes, several ways. open up term, su, then run the x app that way...
<PeterFA> some apps ask for the p***y to go su
<araujo> PeterFA, no, i mean... that doesn't work :-/
<PeterFA> startx as root
<orlok> PeterFA: some bits of the IT world, others still think of them as gold..
<PeterFA> orlok, who?
<orlok> they can all go die anyway :)
<Dagmar> araujo: That depends on how you want to invoke it
<PeterFA> orlok, likely, a company that hires guys who are certified are going to die soon.
<Dagmar> araujo: Generally if you get the auth cookie stored in an environment variable you're good to go
<orlok> PeterFA: there are many businesses whose main "selling point" is their IT guys being MCSE/MCP/Citrix/etc certified
<araujo> Dagmar, it looks like there exist some privileges problems when i try to call an X application as root from a normal user session.
<Sneaky_Bastard> Mainly Can't Solve Emergencies
<infi> those are companies that rely more upon marketing than actual technical knowledge
<araujo> Dagmar, yeah, something like that.....
<PeterFA> orlok, I've heard of all these incompetent but certified guys.
<Dagmar> araujo: Yeah, you're changing the uid in a manner that loses the x session authentication cookie
<infi> when I do hiring, I usually grill certified guys more intensely than uncertified guys
<PeterFA> araujo, are you in the wheel group?
<orlok> PeterFA: some of the guys i've worked with were very comitent and mainly got their certs. to squeeze some extra cash
<infi> and 9 times out of 10, they fare worse :)
<araujo> Dagmar, ther eexist some appli that might help with it?
<Dagmar> araujo: It's probably being kept in ~/.Xauthority
<infi> they have the idea that "I got the certification, I know all I need to know."
<PeterFA> infi, the last guy I talked to said he liked guys who knew Linux because we have screwed with **** before.
<orlok> PeterFA: but they also didnt pay for study courses or whatever, they just took them and p***ed
<Dagmar> araujo: Yeah, xauth will show you the cookie... You can also store it in some environment variables
<infi> with few exceptions, most certs are bull****. the CISSP is one exception I can think of
<Dagmar> I was disappointed with the CISSP
<PeterFA> orlok, I can see that.
<orlok> PeterFA: yeah, if you can compile, install and get a kernel working to your liking from scratch, then you have good problem soving skills usually
<infi> but any of them require you to do outside work on your own to understand real-world situations
<Dagmar> A whole lotta money spent for something no one ever seemed to know a damn thing about
<araujo> Dagmar, right, xauth, let's see
<PeterFA> orlok, or good researching skills.
<orlok> yeah
<orlok> same thing really
<PeterFA> orlok, I have problems with my pc's config right now.
<infi> dagmar, yes, it's really really expensive, but at least judging by the curriculum, it's fairly intensive
<orlok> well, not really, but.. both good
<Dagmar> infi: Yeah, well, some of the stuff on it was kinda obsolete. I've been told they've gotten better since they broke the exam apart into two separate focuses
<PeterFA> orlok, actually, learning Linux, and especially Gentoo has made me into a better problem solver. I know look to solve my problem via what I can do rather than waiting for an M$ patch, or paying a lot of money.
<Dagmar> infi: One of the questions on my exam involved the superzap utililty on VMS
<orlok> PeterFA: yeah
<Dagmar> I hadn't seen that thing intact on any system since I was in high school
<orlok> PeterFA: you can oftn use bash/python/whatever to create a quick widget to make the problem go away, which is a lot harder under ms
<PeterFA> orlok, I can go to this place and learn Linux by this guy who's like almost a guru.
<Dagmar> They might as well have been asking which way you turn the hand crank to start the engine of your Model-A
<orlok> PeterFA: why the hell isnt he here then?
<PeterFA> orlok, oh, tell me about it. If you've got a problem in Windows, you live iwth it.
<orlok> i remember hacksawing off the last 8 bits of a 16 bit ISA slot, from a 486 board
<Sergonium> goooood morning
<PeterFA> orlok, it stopped dong automatic updates because of active X controllers or something. I never figured out the problem, but all the tips M$ told me didn't ****ing work.
<orlok> so i could get an old, OLD 8 bit MGA card to fit.. it wouldent fit a 16 bit slot :)
<orlok> heh
<infi> dagmar, what year did you take it?
<orlok> man, the days when my linux server was a 486 and my entertainment was seeing if i could fill every single slot with a card that actually did something
<Sneaky_Bastard> Make Chair Seem Empty :D
<PeterFA> I want to learn how to make my own cards so that I could make my own devices, and write modules for them. Then I could like remote control robots and ****. Stick a camara on that **** and sneak it places...
<Sneaky_Bastard> Makes
<PeterFA> Yeah, I'm a nerd :P
<infi> peterFA, that's what your serial port is for
<orlok> PeterFA: easier than that.. you can get cards to control relays, or paralell controlled stepper motor drivers
<PeterFA> infi, heh, that'd be slow though.
<orlok> PeterFA: i used to have a paralell controlled stepper motor with a camera hooked up to it, and motion detection software on it.. even caught a stolen car on it
<orlok> all linux too
<Lokey> little red ridin hood : you sure are lookin good : you're everythin that a big bad wolf could want :" aruuuuuuuuuuu"
<infi> I doubt you're going to need more than 115200bps
<PeterFA> orlok, that ownz
<PeterFA> Lokey, that's a good song.
<infi> do it via USB2, then
<PeterFA> I see a siloweto of a man, scatta-moosh, scatta-moosh, can you do the fandango...
<Lokey> very good song
<PeterFA> Send a bolt of lightening, very very frightening...ME! Gallelao, Gallialao, Gallilaio Figaro...
<PeterFA> Fantistico...
<orlok> PeterFA: http://gspy.sourceforge.net/gspystory.html
<Dagmar> infi: Sorry, wandered away. I took it in like 1999 IIRC
<Dagmar> My cutting board (certificate) had a number in the 5,000's
<orlok> PeterFA: man.. 6 years ago!!
<peterbrett> How do I copy a directory tree preserving permissions?
<infi> dagmar, and they still have VMS questions on it? yipes
<infi> were there any Wang questions? :)
<Dagmar> The main problem I see with the CISSP is that their idea of continuing education requirements is a little insane
<infi> yeah, they're mostly interested in making money
<nudenurd> how do I byp*** the hd check that happens after x amount of mounts?
<Dagmar> They kept changing the damn requirements, and never really seemed to have a good hard and fast answer as to what qualified for them
<peterbrett> nudenurd: Why? :P
<PeterFA> Good job, orlok
<nudenurd> I'm trying to fix a DMA problem, and this fsck has taken 15 minutes to do 1%
<Dagmar> nudenurd: Check the man page on tunefs for the -c and -i options
<Sneaky_Bastard> Dagmar: to make you spend more money on courses to try and fulfill cert ?
<orlok> PeterFA: PCI capture card+external camera
<infi> you can tune a filesystem, but you can't tunafish
<nudenurd> Dagmar: all I can get to is the single user prompt
<nudenurd> that enough?
<Sneaky_Bastard> orlok: rad
<orlok> PeterFA: i used to make daily movies and watch the weird **** that went on out there
<PeterFA> So, you're James Roberston, eh?
<Dagmar> Sneaky_Bastard: No, you could actually get a large amount of those CE credits by *giving* lectures
<PeterFA> Well, you bastard, that was me, ****er.
<orlok> heh :)
<orlok> the white car in front of mine was stolen too!
<PeterFA> My mother was sick with cancer, we had to raise money :'(
<nudenurd> http://www.hmug.org/man/8/tunefs.php
<PeterFA> She died, and left us lonely.
<nudenurd> Dagmar: err?
<orlok> PeterFA: wasnt my car! :)
<nudenurd> I don't have a nix box at the moment
<nudenurd> :)
<Dagmar> nudenurd: What
<PeterFA> orlok, she's dead now.
<nudenurd> there's no -c or -i
<PeterFA> Talking in ##bookmark would be a lot easier if I had voice.
<roblaptop> haha
<Dagmar> nudenurd: http://linux.ctyme.com/
<PeterFA> Whoa
<Sneaky_Bastard> Dagmar: really? that's pretty awesome
<PeterFA> This ownz.
<Sneaky_Bastard> did you lecture, then ?
<Dagmar> nudenurd: http://man.linuxquestions.org/?query=tune2fs§ion=0&type=2 works too
<PeterFA> I am the way, my children.
<Dagmar> Sneaky_Bastard: Several times
<PeterFA> What is it with criminals and white fords?
<Dagmar> Generally I don't do it anymore because there's some problems I didn't expect
<Dagmar> Like, no matter what you lecture on, there will always be people who have NO CLUE what they're doing who will want to ask questions that don't even make sense...
<Dagmar> Like, if you lecture on firewalling techniques, you invariably get people who don't have a damn clue about how IPv4 works
<PeterFA> Dagmar, if I configure a kernel, can I have my camara zoom in corectly?
<infi> where do I remeber that Marc Perkel page...
<infi> +m
<Dagmar> PeterFA: I've no idea. That depends on what kind of controls your camera has
<infi> I seem to remember him being involved some lawsuit or something
<Dagmar> infi: Surely not http://www.perkel.com/
<PeterFA> Dagmar, I don't believe in controlling my camara. I believe a camara has the right to be free to make up its own mind and zoom in on whatever it wants...unlike socialists here.
<PeterFA> I'm looking at you, orlok.
<PeterFA> You and your camara :P
<Dagmar> heh
<infi> wait, I wonder if this is the guy whose wife tried to take his company away from him in a bad divorce
<PeterFA> Seen on a license plate, "washis"
<PeterFA> ouch
<PeterFA> or "was-his"
<PeterFA> Well, I'm off to bed.
<PeterFA> Play nice, kids
<infi> aha, yes, I was right
<infi> http://www.perkel.com/pbl/married/index.htm
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