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<Dagmar> martian67: Nasty nasty licencing contracts.
<Sneaky_Bastard> actually, the thing is... windows doesn't dominate anything
<lmm> theUg: ordinary linux fdisk will be fine just for giving you some -l output to look at, though I would prefer cfdisk for actually partitioning
<Sneaky_Bastard> but M$ does
<Sneaky_Bastard> they do the domination with illegal anti-competitive measures
<theUg> Lokey Ye monkey haxor, I don't use it on this machine. On my lab, dummy. :) Duh, Sherlok
<Dagmar> martian67: Most of the time, if you buy MS and your shop is more than 100 people, they will do their best to get you to sign both a right of first refusal agreement, as well as an exclusive technology licence, so you CAN'T migrate away from them ever
<Sneaky_Bastard> the products otherwise would have been replaced in the market a decade ago
<Lokey> that's your /version there Theug
<martian67> wtf
<martian67> that cant be legal
<Sneaky_Bastard> well, as long as Congress is well greased, it is :p
<Dagmar> Right of First Refusal: Means that if you have a project that needs software, and MS makes a project they claim will do what the project needs, you're contractually obligated to use it, period.
<theUg> Lokey Yes, cus I sit on my XP laptop, Sherlok
<martian67> that dosent sound like much of a right
<Sneaky_Bastard> that's what makes Linux world-wide expansion so amazing
<theUg> Lokey, not like I am denying anything, spoofing or packeting someone.
<martian67> Dagmar, know that 3d file-manager in jur***ic park?
<Dagmar> Couple that with the usual licence agreement and basically, unlss you can upgrade and train your ENTIRE company to use different stuff in less than a day, your company can never use anything but Microsoft software
<Sneaky_Bastard> it's succeeding even in the face of corrupt governments on M$'s side
<martian67> its REAL!
<martian67> some SGI thing :P
<theUg> Sneaky_Bastard linux expansion is quite natural
<martian67> Dagmar, thats ****ed
<Dagmar> martian67: Umm... okay. I dont' recall what it looked like but I know SGI still makes *some* software
<martian67> Dagmar, meh
<martian67> cl***ic unix knock
<Dagmar> martian67: Yes, it is. It's exactly the sort of thing that is the reason Microsoft usually also puts in a clause forbidding those people from talking about their agreements with Microsoft
<martian67> "jurrasic park ran unix"
<Sneaky_Bastard> virtually every single product, os component and protocol M$ has came from companies that failed in the market
<martian67> :P
<Sneaky_Bastard> and then were snatched up by M$
<theUg> lmm does it come with GUI or I have to struggle with man cfdisk? :)
<lmm> martian67: it was in the "toys" package section
<martian67> lmm, you have run IRIX?
<lmm> theUg: curses gui, not pretty but just as usable as any other gui
<Sneaky_Bastard> their entire platform is literally the 3rd rate packages that failed in the market because they were 3rd rate
<Dagmar> Sneaky_Bastard: That's the idea. They squeeze everyone out of the market they almost broke into, and then buy them up knowing they can sell the product
<lmm> martian67: no, just spend too much time reading random computer lore
<martian67> lmm, same :)
<Sneaky_Bastard> Dagmar: before they got this big
<Lokey> theUg: note i didnt ever say you were on linux : nor did i state that you werent using linux : im just pointing out the fact you're sittin in ##linux on an XP laptop apparently
<Sneaky_Bastard> for instance
<theUg> lmm I'll give it a try, thanx man
<Sneaky_Bastard> DirectX
<Dagmar> Sneaky_Bastard: Now they just buy out first-rate companies as well
<Sneaky_Bastard> it was some other companies 3D API that failed in the market place
<Dagmar> Sneaky_Bastard: Example of that... Visio
<Sneaky_Bastard> because OGL was open
<Sneaky_Bastard> and nobody wanted their closed crap
<Dagmar> Lokey: It's ebcause he's a troll
<theUg> Lokey, yea, but that followed my statement about SuSE and FC. But it is obvious I don't use them simultaneously.
<Lokey> or at all it seems like
<Dagmar> Lokey: The only reason he asks actual questions every few minutes is so he has a thin excuse for avoiding being banned
<Lokey> personally i'd use a linux box for IRC anyday
<martian67> Sneaky_Bastard, i heard vista is gonna implement OpenGL over d3d
<Sneaky_Bastard> no
<Dagmar> Trolls should fear the day I ever get ops in here
<martian67> so huge preformace decrease
<Sneaky_Bastard> they are going to implement a very limited subset of OGL
<martian67> not really a huge deal
<Sneaky_Bastard> and then promote it as "OGL support"
<orlok> martian67: i got a 12 year old SGI here, and it doesnt have that desktop! :)
<Lokey> even i fear the day you get ops Dagmar
<martian67> somone will just write 3rd party ogl support
<Sneaky_Bastard> they are *not* going to support OGL extentions
<martian67> orlok, some optional tool
<Lokey> the k-list wll be long indeeed
<theUg> Dagmar, wekll how about you being bunned for nationalistic slurs, you pig?
<martian67> somone will just write 3rd party ogl support
<Dagmar> Lokey: Hey, I kept EFnet/#Rave a nice peaceful place for years.
<Sneaky_Bastard> and that will break virtually ever 3D accellerated game
<orlok> yeah, i dont think this thing even has hardware opengl
<orlok> its an Indy
<Sneaky_Bastard> because what you don't understand, is they want to control the game market now, too
<Lokey> i dont doubt that Dagmar
<Sneaky_Bastard> so they are going to use Vista to freeze everyone else out.
<Sneaky_Bastard> (if they can)
<Dagmar> Sneaky_Bastard: It'll just run about as briskly as the average wxWindows app
<martian67> oh yea and that BS about all vista drivers having to be signed
<orlok> pretty much all the capabilities of a new iMac, but over a decade ago :)
<martian67> so you have to pay microsoft
<lmm> Dagmar: are there any actual ops here? I can't see any, which seems sort of odd
<Sneaky_Bastard> martian67: not B/S
<Sneaky_Bastard> if they get that "Trusted Security" hardware deployed
<Dagmar> martian67: That's called "a last bastion against allowing all our holes to grant the browser regular access to ring 0"
<Sneaky_Bastard> Open Source generally cannot pay for those licenses
<Lokey> i actually love how people just have to prove some sort of point : win is better or ...... gentoos better ...or ......blahblahblah
<Dagmar> lmm: They hide so they won't be the target of abuse by trolls themselves.
<orlok> Dagmar: damn, efnet. i used to be a #gothic and #oldwarez regular back when atlantis was a cool script :)
<martian67> Sneaky_Bastard, kernel already has TPM support
<Lokey> why cant we all smoke a peacepipe w. some alaskan thunder**** in it and call it a good day :S
<Lokey> wb PeterFA
<Dagmar> orlok: I used Chaos rather frequently when I didn't have anything of my own that I was cookin'. ;)
<Lokey> PeterFA: are you on SourceMage AGAIN?
<PeterFA> Yes
<Lokey> wrong terminal to type that then ;)
<orlok> "Hiro Protagonist" is the gamertag of Microsoft Corporate VP James Allard.
<orlok> hah
<orlok> Dagmar:
<orlok> [AtlantiS(v1.3b)] by Dethnite
<orlok> i'm still using that and ircii
<theUg> Lokey I did offer a peace pipe long ago, but he was busy frying crack, so he wouldn't take it
<orlok> ircii+screen
<orlok> it seems half my life has scrolled by while i've been disattached
<martian67> lol orlok
<Dagmar> orlok: I finally just made a session wrangler so that I don't have to appear to disconnect ever, and I can switch betwee BitchX, irssi, and X-Chat
<Lokey> PeterFA: which isnt gonna happen unless you can get past my ISP
<martian67> Dagmar, why didnt you just use a local bnc
<orlok> i think i've actually met all my friends through IRC, and the only family members i talk to use IRC
<orlok> is that scary or what
<Dagmar> martian67: It doesn't support the features I wanted
<martian67> that would be the eaiest route
<martian67> Dagmar, ah
<martian67> so did you hack out a bnc?
<orlok> Dagmar: ahh, ive seen a few of those, thought about it, but i like ircii
<Lokey> very scary orlok
<Dagmar> martian67: Like, actually still continuing to handle "business" while I'm disconnected
<theUg> orlok It is disturbing indeed.
<martian67> Dagmar, bncs can do that
<Dagmar> martian67: I just wrote some perl.
<lmm> orlok: awesome book, so can't say I blame him
<psi-jack> Hmm, what filesystems in Linux actually supports live filesystem-checking?
<Lokey> jesus saves : takes half damage
<orlok> lmm: yeah, i know.. i have a set of custom show plates here "DELIVERATOR"
<Dagmar> psi-jack: I think generally we ***ume that if the disk is going to have issues while we're using it, the kernel is going to tell us pretty rapidly
<martian67> jesus saves.... vinshu gets the rebound!!
<orlok> Lokey: jesus saves.. moses invests.. cthulhu forecloses
<lmm> bah, sum of lambda^j/j! is e^lambda, yes? Can't think at this time
<theUg> martian67 good one
<martian67> cthulhu forecloses << lol
<PeterFA> lol, "Jesus saves...p***es to Moses... SCORE!!"
<psi-jack> Dagmar: Heh. Not always the case, however. ext3, obviously, cannot be fsck'd live. But I've heard there are some that can. UFS can, but that's not a Linux native filesystem.
<Lokey> orlok: cthulu for president : why vote for the lesser of 2 evils ;)
<Dagmar> Lokey: that would be a vote for bush then
<Lokey> actually, Dagmar that woulda been a vote in 2k for Gore
<martian67> bush is cthulhu?
<Dagmar> Lokey: Cthulu wouldn't bother trying to trick people into thinking he's not going to eat them
<Sneaky_Bastard> Cthulhu at least has some astandards
<lmm> psi-jack: none I can think of
<Sneaky_Bastard> and he's pretty up-front
<martian67> Sneaky_Bastard, yea
<Sneaky_Bastard> check the UserFriendly.Org archives
<Lokey> thats the one thing i think im kinda thankful for : bush got elected in 2k
<Sneaky_Bastard> Cthulhu is a regular
<psi-jack> lmm: Hmmm.. I've heard XFS might be able to. Not sure about JFS. But I've found out, the hard way, ext3 can't. And Reiser3 can't either.
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