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<Dagmar> hatake_kakashi: Probably those guys didn't have the thing jam all that often
<Sneaky_Bastard> and also because of that, the recoil sometimes failed to cycle the next round
<Dagmar> My dad would never comment on it
<Sneaky_Bastard> but the big nasty is this:
<BucWheat> i'm trying to give user access to /sbin/shutdown without having to enter in a p***word and myuser = ALL NOP***WD: /sbin/shutdown does not work
<Dagmar> I kinda suspect he had to wipe out a few villages or something from the way he reacts to the subject
<Sneaky_Bastard> the M-16 is basically a .22 on steriods
<BucWheat> what am i doing wrong?
<Sneaky_Bastard> at 200 yards, they had cardboard stopping the rounds in some range tests
<Sneaky_Bastard> *CARDBOARD*
<Dagmar> BucWheat: "Using sudo in the first place" might be one answer as to what you're doing wrong
<Dagmar> BucWheat: does your system have a binary called 'consolehelper' in it?
<Sneaky_Bastard> also, .223 Remington rounds lacked stopping power, even up close
<Sneaky_Bastard> you could fatally wound an enemy
<Sneaky_Bastard> but he was not *stopped*
<Sneaky_Bastard> so he could shoot back, even while dying
<Sneaky_Bastard> .308 generally stopped somebody
<Dagmar> This is why you need a gun that shoots rabid bears
<Sneaky_Bastard> as in, they are thrown backwards and hit the ground dead.
<Dagmar> One or two rounds from one of those and you're done
<Dagmar> You barely have to aim.
<Sneaky_Bastard> yep
<Dagmar> The bear takes care of all the fine details.
<Dagmar> :D
<Sneaky_Bastard> reminds me of the exploding scientist shooting gun in one of the crazy Half-Life mods
<Sneaky_Bastard> Rocket Crowbar
<Dagmar> heh
<BucWheat> Dagmar no it does not. i'm using debian sarge
<Dagmar> BucWheat: My condolences
<Dagmar> Ooof... back on the subject of that new.net thing from earlier. I completely forgot to mention that, as per the usual, that website is basically documenting Yet Another 180Solutions Trick
<Dagmar> It's no wonder the FBI are now (finally) investigating them
<bleenshaker> Dagmar Dagmar Dagmar, poop
<Dagmar> Dude, you gotta admit there's realistically only so long a company can go around letting their "affiliates" exploit their software into people's machines before the FBI are going to get pissy about it
<Dagmar> Practically every time I turn around 180Solutions has another "affiliate" behind a spyware m***-infection
<bleenshaker> you have problems
<Dagmar> On what basis do you make this claim?
<bleenshaker> Dgamar, is it as simple as braindamage or does it run deeper ?
<Dagmar> Either justify your ***ertion or pack it up and go, troll
<bleenshaker> Douggie: yeah, you make me sick
<Dagmar> Maybe you'll understand this then: Welcome to the ignore list, bork-bork-bork
<bleenshaker> ill watch a movie instead
<roblaptop> bleenshaker, sounds like a good idea
<Dagmar> No more script kiddie in my window *bliss*
<bleenshaker> amen
<bleenshaker> be well roblaptop and all others... when i pull this mplayer window over Dagmars IRC winblows crusade its not only the movie thats gonna be good :)
<bleenshaker> Cya's
<roblaptop> bye bleenshaker
<bleenshaker> ^^
<jon_k> lol
<jon_k> the UG
<theUg> Dagmar, are you here?
<bleenshaker> rob, cya
<theUg> jon_k tsup?
<bleenshaker> theUg geez, rotfls
<theUg> What happened?
<theUg> Hey, people, read this: http://readlist.com/lists/mozilla.org/mozilla-general/2/14287.html
<theUg> As I was arguing to Dagmar -- it is a OS problem, but FF should protect itself from rogue extensions.
<bleenshaker> theUg: as long as you agree dagmar is an ***whipe...
<theUg> So, it IS an extension. And according to
<theUg> http://kb.mozillazine.org/Getting_started_with_extension_development#Registering _your_extension_in_the_Extension_Manager
<theUg> it's a non-brainer to install any FF/Mozilla extension if you have
<theUg> direct access to the file system, i.e. if you e.g. downloaded
<theUg> application JoesApp, as soon as you run it it could place the files of
<theUg> the extension in the appropriate directories. Next time you load FF, the
<theUg> extension is loaded as well.
<theUg> A third possibility, at least on unix systems, would be to require root
<theUg> access to install extensions, but heck, this would annoy loads of
<theUg> people, especially those who are not the owner of the machines they use
<theUg> (think about office computers, student machines in the labs, etc.).
<heyheyhey_> if i have a driver built into the kernel opposed to modular, and two devices which require that driver (say two pcnet32 network cards), how do i make it so that the same devices load that same driver?
<theUg> bleenshaker, I would. He went all evangelical on me arse.
<Dagmar> I still fail to see how it is Firefox's fault that the user is allowed to install plugins
<bleenshaker> he was like that wasnt he... wird creep
<bleenshaker> weird
<Dagmar> ...and I especially fail to see what it has to do with Linux
<theUg> Dagmar, it is FF fault to run an extension, that was not installed through FF.
<Dagmar> Surely you guys have better things to do than troll all night
<bleenshaker> Dagmar: how many gowds do you have :P
<theUg> And it is a possibility on linux.
<Dagmar> theUg: there's not any way to STOP it without simply taking the user's abiliity to modify their filesystem away, or disabling extentions *entirely*
<Sneaky_Bastard> theUg: the same fault exists in Internet Exploder, so what is your point exactly ?
<theUg> Read the post, there is a way.
<Dagmar> No, ther'es not a way
<Dagmar> Not without disabling writes to the filesystem
<bleenshaker> theUg: you know, this is twice the fun... movie on one or 2 screens then a babbeling tool on the other :P
<jughead> Internet Exploder?
<Dagmar> All it would take is a slightly intelligent script to modify FF's configuration files
<theUg> Sneaky_Bastard, the point is that FF market itself as it would not do it "like IE".
<theUg> Opera does not
<Dagmar> theUg: Dude,, Opera is vulnerable to the same problem if it allows extensions or plugins at all
<Sneaky_Bastard> FF doesn't allow *automatic* install nor does it execute mobile code
<theUg> A more secure version would be to compute a hash string of the
<theUg> extension; the first time the extension is run, FF could query for a
<theUg> p***word, and then encrypt the extension hash with that p***word and
<theUg> store the resulting string in its extension database. By this it would
<theUg> be impossible for any application to fake a valid hash. The disadvantage
<theUg> is that the user would have to define an "extensions p***word" before he
<theUg> can install any extension, and the enter that p***word every time he
<theUg> starts FF.
<Sneaky_Bastard> that is the exact aspect in which it is not like IE, and the only one being promoted
<bleenshaker> Dagmar's brain is useless
<Sneaky_Bastard> so your claim is based upon false ***umptions
<Dagmar> Dude, don't flood the damn channel
<Sneaky_Bastard> unless you think that "being a web browser" also makes it "just like IE"
<Sneaky_Bastard> your argument has that level of logic to it.
<theUg> Dagmar, Opera oes not allow extensions per se, as in FF, or Active X controls in IE
<Dagmar> theUg: What you flooded with is also flawed. A script could just as easily generate the md5 and insert the data into the browser's config
<Sneaky_Bastard> browser extensions are not equivalent to ActiveX controls
<Sneaky_Bastard> not even remotely
<Dagmar> theUg: Okay, so Opera doesn't allow extentions at all. Does it check to see if it's own binary has been tampered with??
<theUg> Sneaky_Bastard, they do the same thing though
<Dagmar> This is basically what would be required
<Sneaky_Bastard> no, they don't do "the same thing"
<theUg> Sneaky_Bastard, end result, no?
<Dagmar> I could have sworn Opera at least allowed plugins. I guess there's not much call for Flash or VRML with Opera
<Sneaky_Bastard> only if you decide to apply a moronic propoganda redefinition of terms, which is blatantly dishonest
<theUg> Dagmar, it does.
<Sneaky_Bastard> if you are here to troll for M$, please STFU and go away
<Dagmar> theUg: then it's vulnerable to the same issue
<r00723r0> are there any true object-oriented c-like languages?
<Sneaky_Bastard> I can at least shut you the **** up for *me*
<theUg> DagmarBut the amount of them is predetermined, as I understand
<CHodapp> r00723r0, maybe ObjC?
<brlancer> r00723r0: c++
<Dagmar> theUg: there's nothing that can stop it from being fooled into accepting any malicious plugin unless the filesystem is permanently read-0only
<r00723r0> brlancer, wow
<r00723r0> object oriented please
<Dagmar> Obj-C
<r00723r0> anything else?
<Dagmar> Uava.
<Dagmar> er Java
<CHodapp> Uhhh....
<Dagmar> Perhaps Python
<r00723r0> java isnt true object-orientation
<Sneaky_Bastard> there, that's two tonight, so far
<CHodapp> I think Objective C is the best bet.
<r00723r0> python isnt c-like
<r00723r0> ok, CHodapp
<Sneaky_Bastard> ah, here comes another one
<theUg> See, my point is not to troll agains FF, for I believe it is a decent browser, and I made my mom use it, but we have to discuss security.
<Sneaky_Bastard> or one of the others with a new host mask
<bleenshaker> Meet Dagmar: a clone of a sheep with a **** in its arse... utmost incompetent and freakily stupid. If you yell TIMBEER!! itll not move but instead gaze at the sky and the TimeBeeeR falling on his Head :=)
<Dagmar> theUg: You're ignoring the same thing a lot of game devs do
<Dagmar> This isn't much different from the problem of "the client is in enemy hands" that MMORPGs face
<stylish> http://www.lynucs.org/index.php?screen_id=47517597043e525f5e075a&p=screen
<Sneaky_Bastard> bleen changed his host mask, well I suppose that's easy enough to do
<theUg> And that security is as vulnerable on linux, but I cannot state that so do not quote me on that.
<Dagmar> You can't protect the browser against the *operating system* in any reasonable sense without making it an entirely monolithic and uncustomizable thing.
<Dagmar> ...and the operating system is suppose to already have it's *own* security.
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