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Comments:
<ninjaz2> MrP: maybe the cable isn't plugged in.
<jughead> Barton: i had a search as well; ended w/Mepis
<jon_k> Barton, me too, I use GNU/Windows myself
<Barton> Fedora is too fast of a release schedule with not enough updates
<jon_k> yeah, I use mepis myself
<Sneaky_Bastard> I'm having good luck with CentOS 4.2
<Sneaky_Bastard> and in a commercial application
<Bossmc> Barton: i can tell you that dabbling will never work, best just pick one and give'er
<ninjaz2> MrP: do you see a media: line when you run ifconfig on eth0?
<Barton> Debian is a nice release schedule, but is braindead.
<jughead> braindead?
<Sneaky_Bastard> however, I like Ubuntu also
<ninjaz2> I dunno, I fear debian's release schedule
<jughead> howso?
<jon_k> Barton, yeah and they like to **** the repos every couple of weeks
<ninjaz2> that's why I switched to mandrake
<MrP> ninjaz2: no media line. however, the cable is plugged in and the green/amber lights are on
<jughead> I tried Mandriva, it looked wonderful, but not what I was looking for
<Dagmar> Yuck. Had to cut the log up a bit and send it to telia in chunks
<Sneaky_Bastard> somebody should make a distro called "Bend Over"
<nmatrix9> I wish rpms by default had a "depency" seeker so if the rpm needs additional files it'll notify you and automatically look up the repository and install the files that you need
<nmatrix9> yes yes
<nmatrix9> I heard of apt-get
<Barton> nmatrix9: yum?
<ninjaz2> jughead: yeah I haven't found the perfect distro. ;)
<Sneaky_Bastard> and promote it as "The closest experience to Microsoft you can have on Linux"
<theUg> Sneaky_Bastard, It already exists. called Windows.
<nmatrix9> but Iam thinking something more advanced than that
<nmatrix9> apt-get has never worked for me
<ninjaz2> but, it wasn't debian with their 2-3 year-dated hardware support. :(
<jughead> no one distro is perfect, Mepis is pretty high up there for me though
<ner0x> I need something that can create templates, or a tip of creating templates with html somehow.
<Barton> jughead: Mepis is a debian variant, no?
<jughead> It did pretty much what I wanted it to out of the box so to speak
<jughead> yea it's debian based
<Sneaky_Bastard> ner0x: plain HTML or PHP ?
<nmatrix9> everybody has been hyping apt-get to me so I took it for a spin sorry to say it did not live up to my expectations
<Sneaky_Bastard> plain HTML you need to look into "Server-Side Includes"
<ninjaz2> well, apt-get really rocks compared to urpmi, for instance.
<nmatrix9> . . . for one it never solved file dependcy problem
<jughead> I like the apt-get system, it's wonderful compared to windows
<jon_k> running nothing more than GNU/hurd here!
<Sneaky_Bastard> Hurd
<nmatrix9> jughead: I just wished it worked for me
<Sneaky_Bastard> hmmmm
<ninjaz2> nmatrix9: how did you manage that?
<RedRose> i do iwconfig and ifconfig and see that the wireless device is "ath0" and it's got an access popint, but it's not allowing network traffic...
<ner0x> Sneaky_Bastard: I can use php I guess.
<ninjaz2> nmatrix9: were you using debian-unstable or something?
<jughead> I had a dependency error once
<nmatrix9> ninjaz2: RH
<ner0x> Sneaky_Bastard: Either way is good. I'd rather just html because I'm not sure if my webserver will have php enabled.
<nmatrix9> apt-get for RH
<Sneaky_Bastard> Hurd - the perfect example of "theoretical perfection" versus "practical good-enough"
<ninjaz2> nmatrix9: so it was the apt-get on the same repositories as you were using the other manager?
<ninjaz2> nmatrix9: what repositor(ies) though?
<Sneaky_Bastard> Linux opted for the latter and now rules the server universe
<RedRose> anyone know how to get linux wireless working?
<ninjaz2> apt-get or whatever can't do anything if it's fed packages with missing dependencies by a repository
<nmatrix9> ninjaz2: don't remember this was a year and a half ago
<nmatrix9> all I know I got even more frustrated
<ninjaz2> it's like expecting firefox to mangically make 404 content appear
<Barton> And as far as I've heard, Gentoo is the equivalent of smashing your head through a gl*** window.
<nmatrix9> I can do that . . .
<jon_k> Sneaky_Bastard, if your theory of theoretical perfection is the only way to get it installed is to install linux first, then yeah
<ninjaz2> well, ok. :-)
<ner0x> Sneaky_Bastard: Any ideas?
<Dr_Willis> Barton, no - thats windows. :P
<Dagmar> Sneaky_Bastard: I'd have to say hurd falls more under the category of "where theoretical ideals fail to be useful ideals"
<Dr_Willis> Barton, Gentoo is much nicer.
<ninjaz2> apt-get is the main thing I miss from debian...
<Sneaky_Bastard> ner0x: try asking in #html, seriously
<Sneaky_Bastard> Dagmar: I was being polite :p
<ninjaz2> i wish mandriva would switch to that. :S
<Barton> Dr_Willis: No. Windows is like... flagellating yourself with a iron mace while violating yourself with a stick
<Dr_Willis> ninjaz2, thers that 'apt4rpm' stuff
<ner0x> Sneaky_Bastard: thanks.
<jon_k> Dagmar, ever had hurd installed before?
<ninjaz2> all the official repositories are set up to work with urpmi though
<Barton> Wait a second..
<Dagmar> Sneaky_Bastard: Man there's not even that many hurd people who don't know exactly why Hurd didn't go much of anywhere
<Barton> Is gentoo a linux, or a BSD?
<ninjaz2> I haven't seen any Packages.gz files around, anyway.
<ninjaz2> Barton: linux
<Dagmar> jon_k: Yeah, it was just about useless
<Barton> So why do they keep calling it Gentoo/FreeBSD
<jon_k> Dagmar, haha
<Dr_Willis> Barton, who does?
<Dagmar> If Id' wanted to rewrite everything that I use myself, it would have been fine
<Barton> Dr_Willis: Gentoo
<ninjaz2> probably because gentoo was inspired by freebsd
<Sneaky_Bastard> the only good message p***ing *nix is that proprietary one......
<Dr_Willis> Barton, first id evern heard the 2 combined.
<Sneaky_Bastard> ... let me think of the name
<Dr_Willis> Barton, they both may use the portage system
<ninjaz2> or mabye someone has a project to make gentoo use a freebsd kernel?
<nmatrix9> ninjaz2: I think Iam gonna try apt-get again I really need to install this new version of software Iam trying to use
<ninjaz2> Freebsd doesn't use portage, they use ports, that inspired portage
<Barton> portage?
<Sneaky_Bastard> damnit, they talk about their microkernel in all the promo
<jon_k> Dagmar, well i like how they wont fix any of their buggy code
<Dr_Willis> Barton, now is the time to read up on Gentoo. :P
<Barton> Oh boy... this could get ugly fast
<ninjaz2> it's gentoo's method of automated installion of software from source
<Dagmar> jon_k: They know no one's really using it
<Sneaky_Bastard> anybody remember the name of the popular real-time message p***ing *nix OS ?
<Sneaky_Bastard> QNX
<Sneaky_Bastard> that's it
<Dagmar> They had a good idea, but just couldn't follow through and actually get things done at the same time
<Sneaky_Bastard> Dagmar: GNU Hurd project ?
<Sneaky_Bastard> yeah
<ninjaz2> I remember when qnx had that little 1-floppy demo with net support and web browser
<jon_k> well apparently theres some zealouts out there
<Dagmar> It's generally important to complete a project before it's obsolete, and Hurd doens't look like it's going to work up that kind of development speed
<ninjaz2> that was pretty sweet
<jon_k> cause there's distros of debian and **** being ported to hurd
<Dr_Willis> ninjaz2, yep - that was cool
<ninjaz2> heh
<Sneaky_Bastard> jon_k: yeah, there are viruses for linux, too..... but only in the lab
<Sneaky_Bastard> ;-)
<Barton> OK. Not Ubuntu, Fedora, Debian, Gentoo, Mandriva, or MEPIS. What's next?
<ninjaz2> well they've spent like 15 years on hurd and never got anything useable though right?
<Sneaky_Bastard> they've gotten a working model last I heard
<ninjaz2> hehehe
<Sneaky_Bastard> and it's performance compared to linux on the same hardware is abyssmal
<ninjaz2> after 15 years... :-)
<ninjaz2> Hurd Forever!
<ninjaz2> ah well, at least we've got a bunch of other free software kernels to choose from
<Dr_Willis> i guess thers a Debian on the Solaris kernel - being worked on
<ninjaz2> haha
<brlancer> Debian on the fBSD kernel also
<ninjaz2> that seems so backwards, though
<Sneaky_Bastard> at this rate, Duke Nukem Forever will be out before the GNU Hurd is out of beta
<roblaptop> haha
<brlancer> Sneaky_Bastard: GNU Hurd is *in* beta?
<Sneaky_Bastard> oh, I didn't say that
<Sneaky_Bastard> where did I say that ?
<Sneaky_Bastard> I didn't even *imply* it
<CHodapp> Hm... wasn't Linus still waiting on Hurd when he made Linux?
<brlancer> yeah you did
<Sneaky_Bastard> nope
<Sneaky_Bastard> I did not say it was in beta
<Sneaky_Bastard> sorry
<Sneaky_Bastard> "out of beta" is merely the last step before "Release"
<ninjaz2> CHodapp: well, I wouldn't say still waiting on it. ;)
<Dagmar> Sneaky_Bastard: Actually, you kinda did imply it
<Sneaky_Bastard> no, you all *inferred*
<ninjaz2> but he wanted something to use right away
<Sneaky_Bastard> not my fault that you did.
<bleenshaker> Sneaky_Bastard: your code is like a leper looking for water in a desert :)
<bleenshaker> :) / jokin
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