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<0> I AM SORRY, I DO NOT UNDERSTAND
<1> ok, so i have a variety of cdro's, cdrw's, dvdro, and 1 dvdrw; i think i also have ide-plugin-cards should I setup boxes B and C in a normal config?
<2> hm
<1> answer my q then
<2> you get that link?
<1> no url
<3> helter: It does.
<3> helter: But there are many busses, and nothing is stopping the memory for working SLOWER than it it is rated to work at.
<2> EAT FOOD
<2> THANK YOU, IT WAS DELICIOUS!
<2> owned
<4> Arafangion: I think I understand now. When they say 300Mhz or 233Mhz, what they are actually saying is that that's the fastest speed at which the bus can run. right?
<3> helter: No. It's the fastest speed the memory can run at.
<3> helter: The speed of the bus is set by the motherboard.
<1> sam
<5> good-night all
<1> nite
<6> does anyone have any idea why I can't access a scanner as my user, but I can as root (using xsane) ? I have straced it and the device that is uses for scanning is world read-writeable
<4> Arafangion: So if the motherboard has 133mhz it means it can work with memory running at 100mhz. But it can't run with memmory running at 233Mhz.
<6> I straced it as my user and looked for permission denied's, and there are only three, two for parallell port /dev's (it is USB) and one for /dev/port which I don't know
<1> samus who owns it? and the drivers
<7> this game is sooo wrong.
<1> why?
<8> helter: if your memory works maximum at 233MHz and you clock it with 300MHz, you're fscked.
<1> TheBonsai
<8> helter: that's it. not vice versa.
<6> Quiznos: owns what ? the driver is fully supported by xsane (comes packaged with xsane), works as root fine
<8> Quizthing
<1> Samus_Aran everything involved
<0> Can you get naked? I used to do that in Moonmist
<1> Samus_Aran are any bins suid?
<0> People reacted oddly
<6> Quiznos: I straced and chmod'ed the devices to be read+writeable by everyone, for testing, but it had no effect
<9> Samus_Aran, is the usb device accessible?
<9> Samus_Aran, if you using something like grsecurity you need to add the user to the proc view group
<3> helter: If the motherboard is running at 133Mhz, it means that it will send the data at 133Mhz.
<9> Samus_Aran, the entire path up to the usb device /proc/bus/usb needs to be available for the user to access and the usb device needs to be writable
<9> Samus_Aran, if you strace 2>&1 and grep for permission denied
<8> why is the TLD for the moon .moo? :>
<1> WildPikachu he did that
<9> hrmmm
<3> helter: Obviously, if the memory is not rated to run that high, obscure electrical problems will result in corruption of memory because the memory, which is rated at 100MHz, is running at 133MHz.
<9> then it will work
<6> open("/usr/var/lock/sane/LCK..libusb:002:009", O_WRONLY|O_CREAT|O_EXCL, 0644) = -1 EACCES (Permission denied)
<6> I get that in the strace sometimes
<8> pikacheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwffffrrrrrpppzzzzxxxxxggghhh
<3> helter: Let's think of it using another metaphor.
<9> Samus_Aran, looks like your distro is a bit messed ;)
<6> WildPikachu: yeah, I'm about to switch distros, just haven't had the time to install yet
<3> helter: You are making an electrical toy, you need wires of a certain thickness or they will burn up.
<1> Samus_Aran which {dist,kernel}?
<9> Samus_Aran, suid xsane ... LOL
<3> helter: It doesn't matter how thick the wires are, so long as they meet some minimum standard.
<9> quick nasty dirty hack
<4> Arafangion: Yeah, sorry I got it. A little confusing at the beginning. The bus speed must be less or equal to the RAM speed.
<6> I am currently on Arch Linux, and it has been annoying me a lot lately, so I am going to try out Ubuntu which I used at someone's house when I was helping them with some things
<6> I think I should just wait, I know ubuntu has it working out of the box
<6> will scan my things as root atm
<6> (or suid)
<8> WildPikachu: you work for a big company from redmond, no? SUID xsane? rofl...
<1> check the mode of the bins
<7> eww ubuntu
<0> I tried arch linux, I couldn't get it installed
<4> Arafangion: Thanks
<6> bsdirl: what is wrong with Ubuntu ?
<0> Gentoo++
<7> check bin
<9> TheBonsai, heheheeh, he did say he was switcing distro's soon ... so a nasty hack like that is a quick fix :)
<7> there is no bin here.
<7> plenty..
<6> I like that Ubuntu has all the software I want to use, so I can get things done quickly .. have a family now, so tinkering time is much more limited
<7> its a horrible memory hog
<10> hello
<10> anyone in here ever setup an silc-server?
<6> bsdirl: how can a distro be a memory hog ?
<7> *all of the software huh?
<7> :[
<9> i hate ubuntu personally ... it has problems compiling nearly everything I've tried
<0> Samus_Aran: Ever used suse?
<7> now that was a stupid question.
<6> bsdirl: e.g. my current distro does not have GNU Cash, but I checked on Ubuntu and it had it
<6> Stupendoussteve: no, but I know a bit about it
<7> so does suse
<9> we all have our preferences wrt distros
<0> suse is slow.
<3> helter: There are other technical reasons in which they should match, but that was the fundamental understanding.
<0> Way slow.
<7> or any other 'desktop'based distro
<9> :)
<6> WildPikachu: which distro do you use ?
<6> or distros
<7> i just dont like ubuntu on anything else but my old imac
<3> helter: It is possible that the memory and the motherboard may be setup to automatically determine if they are at the same speed, etc.
<7> and thats because i broke my OSX cd
<9> Samus_Aran, my developoment team designs our own distro, we have an unofficial gui :) i use our own cause if something is messed I start firing personal
<8> bsdirl: "desktop based" distribution? WTF... you begin to talk like the gentoo ricers. no clue, but --optimize-world
<3> bsdirl: That's a shame :(
<7> i hate gentoo
<0> Gentoo++
<0> but I don't rice
<7> ^^ apparently someone's upset with my opinion.
<6> bsdirl: I also want a distro that will allow other family members to install programs (GUI filemanager is lacking on my current distro)
<7> *sigh*
<6> bsdirl: Ubuntu comes in server and desktop varieties
<9> gentoo is nice for learning imho :) .... again, some people like building stuff themselves
<0> I don't care about building stuff
<7> um, i have about 40 ubuntu CDs
<4> Arafangion: I took one of the RAM module in my computer. It's an old one so it's 100Mhz. It said CL2. But it didn't say anything else. So i don't know if it's DDRAM or SDRAM.
<7> i know alllll about ubuntu
<6> bsdirl: why in the world do you have 40 CDs ?
<7> they were free, why else?
<8> Stupendoussteve: the dist is okay, really. not the best, not the worst. something in the middle (as all mainstream). the problem is, it's a newbie magnet. hence all the nice little quotes from gentooners you see everywhere :>
<7> CD sculptures when i get the nerve to do it.
<6> bsdirl: so you exploited their kindness so you could have tea coasters ?
<7> they shipped me 40 cds for $0
<1> i was watching a Man of God the other day on tv, and I heard him say that there were many, many preachers out there who are incognito, unrecognisable in what they wear but can only be recognised by what they say.
<6> that's a pretty lame thing to do ..
<0> TheBonsai: funroll-loops.com or whatever... I think that's hillarious
<7> actually, I like ubuntu for certain things..
<7> but, cable is pretty much required to install anything besides the stock apps
<7> and i dont have cable
<7> ...or the RAM to use ubuntu+gnome+more than 1 app at a time
<7> so Im using puppylinux and netbsd and Im happy.
<11> bsdirl: rediculous, I use plain Debian over dial-up
<0> I like rc-update, and that Gentoo works the same on every machine I have, and I like the documentation
<11> bsdirl: all you need is a bit of patience
<8> Stupendoussteve: "works the same on every machine i have" <- i don't understand that one
<6> bsdirl: well I have over 700 KiB/sec downstream and over 100 KiB/sec upstream, so that isn't an issue. I also have 1.25 GiB RAM
<7> Um, a bit of patience huh? I downloaded netbsd on dialup.
<1> lol
<1> wow
<7> but downloading 'every' app that isnt included with ubuntu *and thats a lot* is suicide.
<11> bsdirl: netbsd needs more downloading than Ubuntu.
<7> ^^ and bragging isn't very nice.
<0> Once it works it just works, I used to use Debian but stopped when it would hang for a long time on one of my newer computers. I am sure it's fixed but I never trusted it again
<1> we do it, it's ok if done with decorum
<1> 03:57:41 up 26 days, 17:35, 10 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
<7> not on my ancient laptop lol
<6> you can just wait for the 6-month Ubuntu releases if that's your issue
<0> I've had issues with other distros but nothing big really, just sometimes they were quirky
<6> the main releases seem pretty solidly tested
<7> twm/blackbox+mpg123 and a text editor is enough for me.
<12> morning guys, anyone know of a decens ebook reader for linux, I just downloaded a .lit ebook and used clit to convert it to oebps but i am finding nothing can read that (though it is basically just html) any suggestions?
<11> bsdirl: well, then that's a different problem than downloading
<1> coteyr try tldp.net; whta subject are you lookin for
<7> all i said about ubuntu was "eww ubuntu", and I've been getting flamed since then.
<1> i write it unbuntun
<8> Stupendoussteve: weird. maybe something "typical" for a debian (never realized something like that). or maybe it happend accidently.
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