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<0> again, see java
<1> java is a horse
<1> and its way to slow
<1> C# blows java away
<2> jrhodes: I believe in 'it' (C#) being open when they release a C# implementation for linux under gpl
<3> java eats ur cpu to dead
<0> I'm not comparing them in terms of performance
<1> Vladdy they will
<1> Vladdy its only a matter of time
<0> everyone knows Java ****s. well, everyone except sun
<1> jrhodes sun doesnt ****
<2> we2by: ANY kind of graphical control brings C# to its knees
<3> but still ppl develop alot app using java...
<0> please re-read what I wrote
<1> jrhodes i know
<4> caffeine = coffee = java = ****
<1> jrhodes but you implied thru what you said that sun was stpid.
<1> jrhodes or oblivious
<3> Innes, nice one. but you do drink cofee, dont you?
<2> jrhodes: with they I mean microsoft
<0> I fault them for not noticing that java is a crappy platform and also for thinking that Solaris is good
<0> but I like their hardware
<0> so it balances out really
<2> :)
<2> i would love to have sun hardware
<5> Why again was Java a crappy platform?
<0> because it's slow and lacks support for a bunch of platforms
<3> is Java a platform??
<4> we2by: fsck off i hate coffee / tea ****
<6> Hey i just tar -zxvf a file, but doesnt have install notes!! but has a install.sh am i supposed to run that?
<5> jrhodes: it's not slow
<4> we2by: and i would rip everyone doing this drug
<0> sure, if you have a lot of ram
<5> jrhodes: In fact: it beats C++ in some numerical benchmarks.
<0> the second point is more important, anyway
<5> jrhodes: What do you know of the JVM?
<0> it's meant to be a language that you can run on anything
<0> but you can't do that if there's no JVM for it
<5> jrhodes: so you can make an obvious statement
<0> for instance, linux on anything other than x86/amd64 has no jvm
<0> hence, no java
<5> jrhodes: so?
<0> some universal language
<3> Innes, do u give out free shells?
<5> jrhodes: C is just such a simple language. That's the reason why it runs everywhere.
<3> if you do, can u jail a user?
<0> python runs on my sparc64-linux boxes. so do ruby and perl and a host of other interpreted languages
<5> jrhodes: And I know there are some things which make the JVM non-optimal, but to call it a crappy platform... no
<3> C is not simple man. it[ pain in the s to learn the pointer thing. I find it very difficult.
<0> java should, in theory, be one of those, but it isn't.
<5> jrhodes: You can also write an interpreter for Java.
<0> I don't need to be a programmer to see the problem there
<5> jrhodes: Java can be freely implemented.
<7> goron, you can also invent your own language and call it tea
<2> :}
<5> ProN00b: yes
<0> blackdown's been trying. they're a few versions behind and as a result don't support a slew of java apps
<7> that doesn't mean it is handy to do so
<7> other languages can just be reused
<5> ProN00b: indeed
<5> So, in short there's nothing "crappy" about JVM.
<7> java is crappy in that sector then ?
<7> there is
<5> In fact it's a huge software system.
<5> It's quite an accomplishment that they made it to work.
<7> its only reason of existance is portability, which jrhodes just explained why it lacks
<0> another (albeit trivial) problem with java: its default gui kit looks like motif. ick.
<5> If you want portability, you just need to be able to write a compiler/interpreter for the language you are programming in.
<5> jrhodes: "default GUI kit"
<5> jrhodes: you only look at defaults?
<0> did I say that?
<5> jrhodes: and what default has C?
<7> which is hard for java or as easy as for other languages which it has already been done for which eliminates javas only permit of existance beeing portable
<5> jrhodes: I am saying that it is a very weak argument.
<8> hey
<0> goron: I said it was trivial, ya dork
<0> :P
<0> merely trying to lighten the mood
<5> jrhodes: then why name it?
<7> goron, also java is pseudo capitalistic in the way that it demotes publishing of sourcecode by having bytecode
<1> goron C has the ANSI stnadrad to ensure cross-platofrm portability.
<5> ProN00b: you can obfuscate if you want.
<5> meriad_: and Sun has no Java spec?
<5> I know why the informed people hate Java, but you are not informed.
<7> thats what i mean is bad (it doesn't work anyway, changing bytecode is 100% easyer than machine code from modern compilers)
<1> goron i answered your quesetion and nothign more.
<1> goron im very informed my son
<7> goron, also it is ineffective like a interpreted language while not beeing an interpreted language
<1> goron you shouldnt make such stupid observations based onone line of text you dumb
<1> goron e.
<9> can anyone recommend a really good trouble ticket system/helpdesk script?
<1> kraypius bestpractical request tracker
<1> kraypius #rt
<3> kraypius, let me guest. for hosting support?
<5> meriad_: Maybe we misunderstood, but I didn't mean you.
<9> mhmm
<1> goron oh
<3> phpmysupport?
<5> There are no interpretive/compiled languages. That concept does not exist.
<3> maybe a search using freshmeat would help
<1> goron in that case, i take what i said back.
<10> hello ##linux :-)
<1> goron yes there are
<1> goron python
<1> goron is an interpertered language
<5> meriad_: And then why are they writing a compiler for it?
<4> hm
<1> dude
<5> meriad_: JIT compiler?
<1> i think you should stop talking :P
<1> caus eyou obviously dont really know
<1> heh
<7> goron, there is also a compiler that turns java into exe
<7> and for perl the same
<7> still they are all interpreted languages
<10> goron, python compiler compiles code into byte code
<10> it is the byte code that is interpreted
<5> Omg, how can you not understand?
<5> In the end the processor interpretets it.
<1> no it doeswnt
<7> goron, no the processor runs it
<7> everything else is a virtual layer
<1> the processor doesnt interupt aynthign
<7> which makes it ineffective
<1> a processor is either on or off
<1> 1 or 0
<5> ProN00b: sure, whatever you say.
<5> Then why is there an instruction decoder?
<5> I think you are misunderstanding me on purpose.
<7> are you talking about hardware ?
<5> I don't know about you, but a processor is hardware IIRC.
<7> yes, and software runs on hardware
<7> most efficiently
<7> more efficiently than software on software which runs on hardware
<5> Anyway, my point is that a language(which is a mathematical concept) is not a compiled language or a interpreted language.
<7> in case you are talking about mathemathical concepts
<7> i don't think java is a mathematical concept
<5> What else?
<7> neither is c
<5> ProN00b: you don't?
<7> if it is at all
<7> it is a set of rules
<5> ProN00b: You also believe that your computer works with *magic*?
<7> which have nothing to do with maths
<7> goron, yes, its a widely known and accepted fact that computers only work with magic
<11> i have an ISO image of a dvd...how can i rip it into an avi??
<12> magic maths what's the difference?
<7> bbaws, goron
<5> bbaws: heh
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