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<0> Orlok: One company I did work for actually did, they got a satellite uplink for if they get desperate, and the router's set up to failover to it if the main link gets too many errors.
<1> Ah crap I can't find it
<2> can you imagine powerpath with multiple paths going different routes? hehehe. :-) awesome.
<1> A guy I know used to run an ISP in M'boro called "Skyfire.net"
<1> They got backhoed
<3> Dagmar: i've got some.. Baytech i think they are 8 port networked powerboards
<1> They actually had multiple peers
<1> The one backhoe took their center right out
<2> Dagmar, i don't mean multiple peers
<2> Dagmar, i mean with like a SAN
<2> Dagmar, and you have multiple paths. lol.
<0> It's all a question of money and how important it is.
<3> diamon: yeah, i make setups like that work
<3> diamon: its a pain, as you have to deal with different ways of detecting an outage
<2> Dagmar, fsck, you can have more than two paths. :) have four geographically diverse paths. lol
<3> ie, is it the last mile thats ****ed, or is the direct upstream of one of them crapping out, etc etc
<1> linagee: Seldom will you find finance officers willing to double the cost of their entire facility just to get that last 9
<3> if you can ping the gateway of an interface, its not always going to be "up"
<2> Dagmar, huh??
<2> Dagmar, i know places with DR sites that replicate ALL hardware as well as data.
<1> ...there are very few spaces in which doubling the operational cost of the IT infrstrcture makes any kind of sense
<2> Dagmar, it *is* done believe it or not. lol
<0> orlok: Cool! I had to outsource that part, I didn't know the ear well enough to be sure without tons of scary testing. This guy came in and did it, then we pulled the plug, and it just switched over about 15 seonds later. I was happy with it. Switched back too, once the link had been stable for 5 minutes. We set them up with a genny and a huge UPS too.
<1> Oh I know it's done
<1> It's just very seldom that it actually NEEDS to be done
<2> Dagmar, i guess that would make it like a... HR site. lol
<3> the best redundancy i've used was actually via RSTP
<2> "the HR and DR site"
<1> "hot spare facility"
<2> that sounds silly
<2> LOL
<3> but that means you need $$$ cisco gear to handle the RSTP within vlans
<3> and you get like, 3 second failover
<1> I had to learn all those wonderful "suit" terms for the CISSP exams
<3> and you can only do it over ethernet pipes, etc
<0> I asked for it to failover slower than 3 seconds, the T1 they had was a bit wonky, but usually relinked fast enough.
<3> this was T1 for the backup, and fibre for primary
<3> 20M failed down to 2M
<2> orafu, you mean fiber. :-P
<0> Ow, that'll crimp the datarate.
<3> heh yeah
<2> orlok, i think you're getting SAN and ethernet confused. ;-)
<1> Looks like the Kama Sutra is leaving my office network alone
<2> orlok, SAN is fibre, ethernet is fiber. lol
<1> The mail server isn't even showing a 5% deviation from the normal mail load
<2> orlok, whenever you mention SAN, you have to break out the tea and crumpets for the english spelling of fibre. :)
<3> linagee: i thought one was a typo :)
<1> I'm very glad I don't work day shift tho
<2> orlok, fibrechannel and fiber connectivity
<3> linagee: really? never bothered making the distinction
<1> I would hate to be the one getting those calls tomorrow... "OMG I AM DOOOMED ALL OF OUR RESEARCH IS GONE!"
<2> orlok, the difference is that fibrechannel does not actually need fiberoptics. it's just a standard.
<3> ahh
<0> Dagmar: I'm not even looking at my office's network. My system's clean, and I've locked down the few totally critical systems I can. Turns out our antivirus hasn't updated in 1.5+ years, so there's versions of norton of all different types out there. It's so sad.
<3> heh, i learnt something :)
<2> orlok, now i have unconfused you, please deposit $1000 for that lesson. lol. :)
<2> orlok, that's how much they'd charge. lol
<1> diamon: Well, looks like you'll have no problem pushing an initiative to clean that all up tomorrow when some of the upper management finds their spreadsheets filled with white noise
<1> They'll be so willing to spend money you'll have trouble breathing around the willingness to purchase
<2> Dagmar, tell them you deleted all that useless data. spring cleaning. lol
<0> orlok: Actually, fiber is the american spelling and fibre is english, I believe. That's all the difference I've ever seen...
<1> It would be cooler if it were to trigger on Feb 29th
<0> Dagmar: Heh, the mere thought fills my heart with joy...
<1> I've got a naughty little hack working on my notebook to do wildcard DNS and AP abduction at local coffee houses
<0> I'll hope (for my sake) that it doesn't happen, but... So, is it a proper worm, or just a 'you looked at pr0n and now you're boned' sort of thing?
<1> No matter what the user tries to pull up, they get a "We're sorry, the Internet is down today for Spring Cleaning. (Don't you read your emails?)"
<0> Heh, ok, that's amusing!
<2> diamon, boned. LOL
<1> It's a m***-mailing worm
<2> diamon, how appropriate. lol
<1> Thank god it doesn't go after network shares or I would sure as hell be up to my neck in requests to restore backups for the next several days
<0> Dagmar: Right, but if one system in a network has it, does it worm to others, or no? The media calls things worm that aren't...
<1> It doesn't propagate directly from machine to machine, but goes through email
<0> Oh good god, I don't want to think of what that'd do to my DFS roots if it did. :P
<1> ...or course it's not like people like 180Solutions aren't diligently working to make sure it gets installed along with their spyware
<0> Dagmar: So then once again it's not a worm, it's a moron trap.
<1> Morons come in all shapes and sizes (and pay grades).
<2> Dagmar, virtualize everything. even your employees. lol
<1> Hey I *am* the high-availability solution for our office
<0> True that. There's a manager here who sometimes stays late looking up some of the most nasty pr0n... Ick! I mean, really now...
<2> LOL
<1> In the event of exceedingly inclement weather, either I or my housemate can still slog to the office on foot
<2> Dagmar, i have to carry around a HA array of cellphones. lol
<2> Dagmar, personal cell, business cell, pager. lol
<0> I have one cell. If I don't answer, they have to pray a lot. :P
<1> ...providing, of course, that it's not raining rabid bears.
<2> i'll probably die of cancer in 5 years. lol
<1> I *hate* it when it does that
<0> Oh, and a pager for weekends, but nothing;s perfect.
<1> Give me a plague of frogs or locusts any day
<2> diamon, i'm often in data centers. usually you only get one provider that works. lol
<0> Raining rabid bears... now *there's* an image I'll have a hard time getting out of my head all day.
<4> it does that in australia
<1> linagee: And that would be the one with the repeater on the root
<1> s/root/roof/
<1> infi: They're not rabid, just stoned
<0> linagee: The centers I use have portables they ***ign techs, all calls are routed manually to the right phone. :) Kinda cool, actually.
<2> Dagmar, probably. hah. more RF radiation. lol
<2> diamon, the centers you use?
<2> diamon, what do you mean
<0> datacenters.
<2> diamon, ok.....
<2> diamon, and how do they route your cell to that?
<1> If you're going into a DC you might as well just wrap your entire body in tinfoil if you're worried about it
<2> Dagmar, lol
<1> ...or at least get those undershorts with metallic fibers
<5> heh
<0> They don't, anyone who needs to call me should know where I'm going. If they don't, it's not that important.
<2> Dagmar, i can access the internet in this secure data center by just putting my cell phone high enough. lol
<5> it's called "the beltway" for some reason
<2> Dagmar, it's funny, but fscking useful at times, even thought the reception is like 1%
<0> Heh, tin foil actually can enhance some microwave and cell tower signals, use shielded and grounded bronze mesh.
<6> why do tape drives have to cost so much?
<5> they have their i/f on device
<2> Skunky, because they know that if you're backing up, you're a business. lol
<0> Skunky: Because you get so few of them, and just more and more tapes.
<2> Skunky, they have fed all business people the same koolaid, thus, they will want to stand in line for a tape drive. :)
<5> i got an ibm ide tape-drive for a $1; recovered from a store's ``gotta get rid of it shelf''
<6> Hrm. so. backing up my stuff to tape is gonna be expensive
<2> Quiznos, how much do you bet it will eat any tape you put in it? :)
<0> Heh, cool. I need to get myself a new tape drive, my 25Gb DDS4 is too small anymore.
<2> Skunky, exactly. do disk to disk. :)
<5> i got it last year. it worked perfectly.
<7> hi all, i want to ask is there any place where i should to write my static ips, that identd would recognize them, that when i'm connecting to irc, i would get "Got ident response" ? At the time i get this message only connecting trough the default ip
<2> Skunky, rsync is awesome. :)
<6> linagee: rsync requires there to be somewhere to rsync TO
<5> linagee, i got it last year. it worked perfectly.
<2> Skunky, disk to disk
<2> Skunky, either in the same server or a different one. :-P
<0> Skunky: THe difference is, if the data matters, so does the backup media. If you don't care about the data, just get some disks to copy it to. If you do, get tape.
<6> linagee: disks fail, that's what tape is for!
<2> Skunky, huh?
<2> Skunky, both disks will fail? why
<5> linagee since you bet, gimme something :)
<2> Skunky, strong magnetic fields? your tape isn't going to be immune against that either! lol
<2> Skunky, in fact, disk will be more immune, it's in a metal shell. ;-)
<0> linagee: Wow, you must live in a strange and slightly-different world or something...
<6> linagee: I've had more disks fail than tapes.
<2> diamon, what do you mean? everyone is doing disk to disk. it's a cutting edge thing
<2> diamon, all the newest stuff does that
<5> i have a cd that was writ by nero about 3years ago and I cant read it on linux
<5> !
<2> Skunky, ROFL. i don't mean unreliable disk to unreliable disk! hahahha
<2> Skunky, raid disk to raid disk silly. :-P
<0> linagee: And Atkins diet was 'the fad' for a bit before people started dropping dead; not that it means that 'the fad' was ever a good idea...
<5> i tested it on the box i was using right after it was written, and was fine.
<8> cds are amazingly fragile
<8> especially cd-r
<4> so are babies :(
<5> i dont know which fs is on it,
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