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<0> pfred no
<1> at least in their own estimation of the market
<2> howja boot a box with no hd, Quiznos?
<1> that is what they've said!
<3> lo_tek, network boot.
<4> PeterFA, RMS !
<2> ah
<5> lo_tek, pxboot
<2> or livecd
<5> lo_tek, pxeboot even
<3> headmonkey, I'm sorry, but that is not the correct answer. You have two tries left.
<0> Atleast in my experience the desktop and overall stability, and maintence of the system is much easier in fedora than suse
<6> PeterFA: it's probably true
<4> PeterFA, RMS !
<1> Kronoz yeah lots of people run Windows too doesn't make them all right though now does it?
<3> headmonkey, I'm sorry, but that is not the correct answer. You have one try left.
<1> that is like arguing eat **** 50 billion flies can't be wrong
<4> PeterFA, hmmmm ... rms ?
<2> or gufymike, they're both easy to update
<2> yum in one, yast2 in the other
<0> Yast ****s
<2> of course, you have to make sure the update sources are good, heh
<3> headmonkey, I'm sorry, but the correct answer was, "BBC." Thanks for playing Guess That Troll.
<3> Until next time!
<0> You can't do a world wide yast upadte of the same version without problems
<7> PeterFA that's a Ballmer quoth
<4> doh
<6> PeterFA: it's not a troll
<1> gufymike opinions are like ***holes everyone has one
<0> IUt always tried to install the default kernel tho I upgraded through yast
<0> Experience not opinions
<3> amphi, the game's not going anymore. Please wait until later for the game, Guess That Troll.
<1> so I've run redhat
<2> i've run both fc and suse
<1> suse to me at least is better
<2> got suse on this box
<1> but that is just my opinion
<6> PeterFA: see if you can find one - I suggest T. Reginald Gibbons
<2> lfs is going to go on the new one with debian on the first disk as a build system :-)
<1> though redhat has focused on servers and not the desktop but suse tries on the desktop
<0> Well, I had many many problems with suse that I didn't like, one include it not mounting the extra partitions in fstab with the same entries that work on other oses
<0> I'm not going to detail the rest of my problems I ran into with suse here, but there were more than a few.
<1> gufymike did you have filesystem support i nthe kernel?
<0> ext3
<2> all distros have their pet peeves, gufymike, there is no such thing as the perfect distro
<1> did you try to resolve it in yast2 ?
<7> what would the `perfect distro' be in answer to all peeves and gufymikes
<0> why should I HAVE to, but yes I did.
<0> No go
<7> s/gufymikes/guffaws/g
<2> although i share with gufymike some of the problems with yast2
<1> gufymike distros are collections of software packages and unique tools not the amazing Kreskin
<0> I know
<2> yast2 doesn't change the smbp***wd file correctly even though it says it did
<1> they cannot read your mind!
<0> But those software packages all have configuration files that I can edit
<2> i had to manually redo the smbp***wd file myself
<0> It should work without me having to use yast to edit them
<1> hey if you got a computer to edit configuration files all day long more power to ya
<0> redhat works fine if I pull out gedit and edit the files by hand
<5> i think im gonna stay on windows until some distro gives a good reason to use linux again, or kde4 comes out, thanks for your opinions
<1> gufymike SuSE works fine if you learn how to use yast2 for me
<1> it isn't hard
<2> Kronoz, if you want a "linux for dummies" distro, try ubuntu or kubuntu
<0> I hated yast2, I didn't feel comofortable in it, didn't implement all the options I wanted
<8> suggestions on apps to play cds?
<1> easier than editing arcane text configuration files
<0> Also ONLY in suse after or during upgrades it would put my nic in permanent sleep mode
<6> node_6: cdplay
<0> They aren't arcane to me pfred1
<8> amphi: nice
<5> lo_tek, i do not want linux for dummies, i've installed gentoo before and used debian sid for ages
<1> gufymike well they are to me i have better things to do with my time than learn all about /etc
<9> ubuntu i still good
<6> node_6: simple console mode thing
<9> i love ubuntu
<2> ok, Kronoz, suit yourself
<9> and im a very experienced linux person
<0> pfred1: I can read the manual and the config file options and do what I want.
<1> gufymike I spent 7 years doing that crap and got sick and tired of it
<0> Well I like the idea of knowing what is what in my system and not be told wha it is and if I have a gui problem I can run in with vi and fix it quick enough
<1> point click and shoot today baby!
<2> i have this suse linux box set up pretty much the way i want it, no experiments on it anymore
<4> long live gnome ! ooga booga !
<6> doesn't bode well for those of use too clumsy to use a mouse ;)
<0> yes but yast also didn't offer me the ability to add everything I want in some configurations (like apache, it was an alias)
<1> I could ****ing care less as long as it is doing what i want it to do I plug in a wheel mouse i like it popping open a dialog box asking me if I'd like to enable support
<5> lo_tek, what suse version? 10.1?
<2> i have other test boxes if i wanna play "install the latest distro that will change your computing experience forever" stuff, lol
<2> 10.0
<10> lo_tek, image it, then you wont have any fear
<1> as opposed to editing XF86Config
<0> Now, Wht yast does tot eh httpd.conf file is disgrace To conf files
<4> oooh...pfred1 you smell like a windows user
<5> i tried 10.1 and the package management was really broken
<0> but I understand why its that way, but I don't like it
<1> headmonkey I was in 1995
<2> martian67, like i said, i have other boxes for testing
<2> no need to test this stable machine
<4> pfred1, yeah...it takes awhile for the stink to wear off
<10> ewww xfree86 :(
<5> the suse rug/zmd has potential but 10.1 was rushed and it not working properly in it i think
<2> after this weekend, i will have five boxes at my beck and call
<1> headmonkey when did you start running Linux before 1995?
<10> lo_tek, since when is screwing around ever needed ;)
<0> pfred1: long story short, lets agree to disagree on yast work ability, just so you know most of yast does rh has guis for also, just not an all in one control center
<4> pfred1, it was around the same time, just as public internet was made available
<0> most of what yast*
<10> public internet2 should be made avalible :)
<2> gufymike, one of my goals is to be able to do everything i need to do by hand without relying on tools like yast2 or yum or whatever
<10> instead we are stuck with ****ty flash/ajax web2.0
<10> :/
<0> oki lo_tek :)
<2> i like doing things by hand - it's a good way to learn exactly what is going on with your machine
<1> yeah lets go back to the days of gopher
<11> there is no reason why a mouse with a wheel shouldn't magically work. linux isn't about performing menial tasks over and over
<0> I want archie back damn it!
<4> my wheel mouse works
<1> lo_tek yeah it is good to be able to rattle off the 10s of millions of lines of code that make up an operating system!
<10> lo_tek, use slackware
<4> its a microsoft wheel mouse ;)
<10> that is the ONLY way to do things :)
<1> you never know when you'll be on Jeapordy and need it all
<10> so you cant ***** out and be a gui whore
<10> ;)
<0> :P
<2> martian67, as a matter of fact, my next machine is going to be done with lfs - the rawest of the "raw writes", heh
<1> it is unrealistic today to think that one person can know everything about Linux
<0> agreed
<1> they'd be an idiot savant
<0> but you can learn as much as you can and have man pages there to refrence
<1> I wouldn't go out clubbing with them that's for sure
<4> i know everything about linux
<2> i want to go deep spelunking in the linux system with lfs once the new box gets built
<2> lol@headmonkey
<4> 5+5 is 10...V-E-R-N...the books...V-E-R-N
<2> hmmm, i suspect that maybe headmonkey is linus torvalds in disguise
<2> lol
<12> the down side to sharing a lot of data on p2p is your upstream is always choked.
<1> Linux it too pragmatic to waste his time knowing everything he knows how to delegate
<1> Linus even
<2> true, pfred1
<7> is he here?
<4> one day, i will reveal myself to me people...and they will be in awe of my geekedness
<10> headmonkey, i know everything about linux...
<10> 10101101011
<10> it goes something like that
<10> :)
<0> hm will be for ever known as Paul Allen that day comes
<4> then i shall rule with prosperity for 3.5 years ... until pride taketh over my being ... and then you all shall do my evil bidding
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