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<0> heh frontier... hopes for elite 4, long gone
<1> what are you talking about?
<0> I have long given up any hope of ever seeing a game Elite 4
<0> if it comes, great, but alas not expecting it
<1> why? was there some indication that there would be one
<1> I didn't even know there was an Elite II
<1> er III
<0> there was
<0> that was one of the first things frontier.co.uk was expected to work on
<1> so, why don't you go make an updated elite clone
<1> make it what you had expected elite 4 to be
<1> and name it 3l337
<0> because I haven't said I would be making it, don't own the rights to it (like DB does) and don't in any way have resources to do it perhaps
<1> you don't need rights, just make sure you don't use any elite names or terminology
<0> then it's not elite 4 but a random space shooter/trading type game
<0> like the X series
<1> so what is it about elite that you want?
<1> just the name?
<0> what's with the explosive defensivness?
<1> explosive?
<1> why does everyone always think I'm being defensive when I'm just curious
<1> all I wanted to know is what was so funny about square soft changing their name to square enix, and he got all offended
<0> what does that have to do with elite? and of course an elite game would have to maintain elite concepts and feeling
<1> oh, nothing, just some guy that got all worked up cause I didn't get the joke, and started accusing me of being defensive
<0> and let's just say Elite 4 is sort of like Duke Nuken forever
<1> so it's actualy in development?
<0> and didn't the name change occur due to some company merge anyway?
<0> it supposedly was
<1> yes
<1> ah
<0> in 2000 or so
<1> he did eventualy explain the joke, but it turned out it was lame
<0> and now I saw a note, as I looked, that it was going to be an MMORPG and was cancelled because they didn't feel the world could handle an mmorpg elite (why I don't know as it seems to handle every other MMO just fine)
<1> I'm sure it would cause all our minds to implode
<1> but what we REALLY need, is a good space sim with cute anime girls
<0> you should have an anime discussion with moongose
<0> would be amusing
<1> why do you say that?
<1> and who is this moongose?
<0> go to #icculus.org
<0> heh
<0> let's just say he often discusses with himself
<0> :)
<2> Elite 4 is coming, and hopefully with it, respect for spaceflight physics!
<0> ah but the elite's that failed had true physics
<0> fact is that generally true physics are not fun to play at all
<0> so I would hope not
<2> Frontier and first encounters didn't fail
<2> they won game of the year in the uk in '93
<2> well FFE did
<0> they were not anywhere near elite in level of success for sure
<2> well, all i know is, there has never been another game which had anywhere near as good spaceflight mechanics
<2> with the possible exception of Terminus, but what a shadow of a game in comparison
<0> elite didn't have any kind of realistic physics and it's the only elite I've played
<0> and the type of game I would like
<2> oh, right. well Elite II and III were entirely different beasts, even though the spirit was the same
<0> if you want a space simulator I can see realistic physics
<0> it's like the difference between flight simulator and action war fighter game X
<2> you can still have reasonably realistic physics and be fun
<2> hell, it'd even help
<2> i'm not saying it has to be NASA/ESA correct physics
<0> theer was an amiga game, I think warhead, that had realistic physics
<2> I'm just saying, it should at least -resemble- space flight
<2> exactly like Wing Commander did not
<0> it also had various "auto pilot" modes which essentially ***isted and maintained sanity in the game place (making it more arcady)
<0> that worked
<0> and like Elite did not? :)
<2> yah, the autopilot in Elite2/3 wasn't necessarily your friend
<2> the original elite did have arcade physics
<2> i'm not disputing that, nor am i denying that it was a lot of fun
<0> the games I've had the most fun with in terms of space shooters sure haven't had realism though
<2> I'm just saying when DB released the next two, he broke all the molds
<0> Freespace and Freespace 2 comes to mind
<2> wing commander spinoffs
<2> so because you've never played a spacesim with realistic physics it's not any fun?
<0> not spinoff, but perhaps clone (and sometimes weirdly similar)
<0> but better than the original clones
<0> who says I haven't?
<2> oh right, freespace were descent spinoffs, sorry
<0> they shared the name, but weren't spinoffs from that either
<2> uhm
<2> ok
<0> marketing reasons, using a wellknown successful brand I gather
<2> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freespace
<2> spinoff
<2> anyway, not important
<2> the point is; i, and anyone who's played Elite2/3, am still waiting for another game, any game, good physics or not, where planets in the region you are in are more than just sperical polygons, but actual destinations you can travel down through the atmosphere to, to any continent, over any ocean, hills, valleys, wherever on your way to your destination, or just to fly thru the clouds and bomb villages..
<2> no fakey fake "transistion" scenes, but actually flying down thru the atmoshpere
<3> Mousey: now that would be cool!
<3> that'd be a spacey game even I might like/be good at/feel it is worth taking the LOAD of time it'll take me to learn playing it well
<2> Zero_Dogg: Elite 2: frontier, and the slightly more improved Frontier II: first encounters
<3> both of which probably doesn't work under linux
<0> again I don't feel the game in any way was a spinoff on descent other than by name itself
<0> both which probably are completely uninteresting today due to their age
<3> night
<2> http://www.jaj22.org.uk/jjffe/
<2> oh, there u go
<2> the age of a game doesn't make it worse does it?
<2> XMAME is in trouble if that's true
<2> ;)
<4> nope, good is good
<4> no matter what the age
<2> crap, brb.. actual work! >_<
<2> Zero_Dogg: not that you're here anymore, but if it doesn't play under linux, i don't play it
<2> [the PS2 is technically linux right??]
<1> er, no
<1> the PS2 is technicaly proprietary
<4> all hardware is proprietary
<4> the only difference I can see is some companies will tell you how to develop for it
<1> ah, well, sony will only tell you if you're licenced
<1> although, they did release a linux pack which allowed you to run linux on the PS2, and even develop games in linux for it (with the limitation of no DVD drive access)
<4> is the linux pack free as in beer?
<1> no
<4> ah well then :)
<1> it comes with a hard drive (and only works on the older PS2 model)
<1> and I believe it only worked with that specific version of linux
<1> the PS3 is much better in that respect, you can use any linux distro and PPC compatable kernel, all you need is to patch it
<4> well that's not bad
<4> maybe some linux games will appear on it
<5> I wonder if majesty will play on one of them :)
<6> it should theoretically
<6> it doesn't need 3D and runs on PPC
<1> I'm still hoping that mabe a 3D driver will become available
<1> the Red Dog developer suggested that it's not out of the question
<2> oh?
<2> there's a PPC edition of majesty?
<2> ^_^
<0> yeah there you go, the PS3 is your linux console
<0> just need, as you say, 3D support. does it have support for the controllers and such?
<2> i was thinking debian/PPC in my iBook, but yah
<2> i wonder if there'll be PPC Wiimote drivers on PS3. ^_^
<1> NeoTron: I never really looked into that
<4> can you use a mouse? :)
<1> you can use USB mouse and keyboard...and someone even got the Wiimote working with it
<0> wiimote with the ps3? now there's something..
<2> all they need is 3D support, then they can do what someone else had done, and control Beryl with the Wiimote on a PS3.. the ultimate contemporary show-off hack
<5> deltib, if the offical nvidia driver doesnt then I think the gpl one might in time
<2> nuveaux or something, right?
<1> gaminggeek: I imagen it's not quite that simple
<7> flash 9 came out
<7> doesn't look like BETA :)
<1> yeah, saw that
<1> I bet they still haven't fixed the one problem I need fixing
<5> RHLinuxGUY, what have they changed?
<8> even mention seamonkey :o
<8> only for the linux version though :|
<1> seamonkey?
<8> seamonkey
<1> what is seamonkey?
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