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<0> how can I understand the difference between linux cache and linux buffers ?
<1> i am compiling kernel 2.6.15-1 .. when i did make modules_install i got the following error.. /bin/sh: line 1: 11924 Killed /sbin/depmod -ae -F System.map 2.6.15.1 make: *** [_modinst_post] Error 137
<0> is it fair to say that if a kill -9 doesnt stop a process that no other SIG would likely make a difference?
<2> and that it is in "uinterruptible sleep" (in kernel)
<3> it could be in the middle of a block read
<4> shwag: au contraire
<0> gb: yes..
<4> shwag: killall -9 init will kill it :)
<4> & sometimesfuser -k file being locked bythe process can sometimes do the job too
<0> gb: so you are saying aim for its parent process.
<0> ahh...good one
<4> basically but doing that has it's risks as does using -9
<0> gb: such as?
<4> if you kill theparent you may end up with a zombie
<3> the zombies should reap if the parent exits
<4> which can only be killed by killing init and using fuser can cause a system halt & file damage as well which may not be wanted either
<3> the only reason they stick around is because the parent didn't read/reap their exit status
<4> no not always
<3> elighten me
<4> but killing the parentmay not always bring it down, otherwise how did it become a zombie too begin with?
<4> I've had zombies due too memory issues which were resolved when replacing the memory for instance
<4> nothing too do with parents, but instead corrupted data
<4> but I'm lucky like that, getting too play with the crappiest hardware too experience such joys
<0> what does kill -0 do ?
<0> what are VSZ and RSS in ps ?
<4> gottuh get some more ram for this box & fix the cpu
<5> hi all
<5> I've compiled the spca5xx kernel module for a PDA (nokia 770), it's loaded without problems, and the webcam recognized, but when trying to access it with spcaview (for example) the PDA simply hangs... anybody knows what could be happening?
<4> probably
<5> probably what?
<4> anybody knows :)
<5> hehe
<5> well, are you that 'anybody' ?
<0> in iptables, whats the difference between a chain and a rule?
<4> nahimnot richenough too own a pda
<5> hope a lot of people more owns a pda XD
<4> Why you asking about a hanging pda in #kernel?
<4> What do you think is happenning too make you ask here?
<5> cause that's a problem with the kernel module..
<4> but why cant the issue be with the app software not talking too the pda?
<4> im just speculating of course
<5> mmm the software works well in a PC, and I've tried with two different apps
<4> the pda is probably awaiting a response from the app?
<5> I really think it could be a problem with low memory, or something like that
<4> ok in the same environment?
<4> perhaps memory & disksace are always great gotchyas
<4> as a user or as root?
<5> root
<4> ok this app running under x?
<5> the problem is I dont know how to find the problem...
<5> yes
<4> Ayoze: I'maware of that whicxh is why im asking you all these dumb questyions :)
<5> hehehe
<5> I really dont know what to do... :S
<4> ok is x running the client or have you ssh'd too root & put the output onto a users x-client?
<5> :O
<5> client runs the x
<5> I have a terminal, so I gain root access there
<4> hmm ok because sometimes the overhead of running an ssh pipe on the same box will kill it
<4> how bout top?
<4> What does that say when the pda crashes?
<5> the problem is that all the device hangs
<5> so I cant view the top
<4> is the app using resources or is your box idle?
<4> oh the box hangs, not the pda?
<5> box?
<5> what box?
<4> computer
<4> linux based computer==box
<5> but what computer are you talking about? :O
<4> pda==pda
<5> hehe
<4> tla's are wonderful for generating confusion
<5> yeah
<5> mmm
<5> well, I run the spcaview app in the pda
<5> so..... what about the box?
<4> Wso you only have the pda,not another computer?
<5> yeah, I'm talking with you with a computer :)
<5> but... what do you say about the computer? I dont understand you
<4> & X is running on the pda?
<5> yes
<4> ahhok, I misread what you said & thought you were having issues between a computer & pda
<5> no no
<5> I'm only trying to access to the webcam with the pda
<4> ahh ok thats possibly an easier issue too deal with, which I still have no clue about :)
<4> permissions on the device node ok?
<4> actually what are you using? 2.6, 2.4, 2.2, 2.0?
<5> 2.6
<4> hmm 2.6 on a pda?
<5> yes
<5> and I've compiled the video4linux and the spca5xx modules for that
<5> and both two are loaded without problems
<4> didn't think you could get a pda with enough grunt too run 2.6
<4> without problems ey? :)
<5> yes
<4> you probably should be running that stuff as a user & not root by the way
<5> as user I dont have permission
<4> but you give the user permission by adding them too the right group & setting the group permissions too be same as owner
<4> running as root could very well be your issue, although I dont see exactly why it would be
<4> some app software wont run as root
<5> Hmmm
<4> but they also shouldn't hang your machine
<5> nah
<5> as user it hangs too
<4> at least as anordinary user you're less likely too wreck something :)
<5> yeah
<5> hehe
<4> could be too late already of course
<4> im not too sure what advice too offer as imonly a poor sap whomakes do with ditched notebooks
<5> hehe
<4> which imhappy too report I think i've fixed another issue with, just as you joined
<4> seems battery will power it by itself again & not switch it off for me thanks too a paperclip jammed between battery & outer case
<5> uyh? :O
<4> most annoying too have the notebook die when a cloud goes overhead & my power drops below needed input
<5> :O
<4> not quite as bad as that unless the fridge is plugged in
<4> few more panels & a wind turbine should rectify that issue soon though
<4> but at least it seems I can runoff the notebook battery again yippee
<6> does anyone know where to find documentation on the bug in the 2.6.10 kernel pertaining to the dual opterons?
<7> which the list to argue of kernel
<4> argue?
<4> darnno apm output too syslog :(
<4> maybe that'l work
<4> No APM support in kernel might be why I get nothing from apmd :)
<4> stupidbrokenmodules in 2.4
<4> arrgh now sids gcc is broken too
<4> that'l lern him too stop my init from running on his box
<8> sids gcc is broken?
<8> lies
<9> anyone know any good 2.6 based mini distro's
<9> i need to swipe some goodies
<4> bobbens: its happenned too me before
<8> gb: working fine here
<8> gb: only distro that broke my gcc was gentoo ><
<10> hi guys im going to upgrade my slackware kernel from 2.4 to 2.6 ive read som eof the howto's, is make menuconfig the only menu i go into before compiling it?
<10> download kernel to my home dir , extract it, cd into it, then make menuconfig
<10> that right?
<8> better to move it to /usr/src extract it there, make a symlink to /usr/src/linux cd in, as root make menuconfig and then compile
<10> i can leave it in home dir if i want that right
<8> yes but its ugly
<10> ok
<10> the symlink bit, how do i do that
<10> sorry sorta newb
<8> ln -s <kernel dir> /usr/src/linux
<10> thanks
<10> example be ln -s /usr/src /usr/src/linux that right
<8> no
<8> ln -s /usr/src/linux-2.6.15.1 /usr/src/linux
<10> oh ok
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