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<0> theres no advantage too using vfat on a flash drive too my knowledge
<0> apart from it makes things a bit slower :)
<0> msdos is much safer & quicker
<1> gb: this flash player. he understand only fat32
<1> gb on 2.6.12 work good
<0> stalkerg: i've not seen a flash player that does not understand msdos
<1> gb yes he understand
<0> well thats your answer then go back too 2.6.12 or change too dos :)
<0> vfat is simply a nast hack of msdos anyway
<1> gb not diffrent msdos or vfat speed slow
<0> nasty rather
<0> then try a different kernel
<1> i am test...
<1> kernel \ fs | vfat | msdos | ext2 | reiserfs |
<1> 2.6.11.12 | 1.8 MB/c | 1.7 MB/c | 350 /A | 1.8 /c |
<1> 2.6.16.16 | 45.7 KB/c | 45.7 KB/c | 350 /A | 560 /A |
<0> you do realise 2.6.13 is quite old
<0> its probably a bug fixed in 2.6.16
<0> if you get the same on 16 then rollback too 12
<1> gb i can`t.. my eth work only 2.6.16
<1> i am use Athlon 64
<0> if you are using a stock kernel from your dist then you need too take it up with whatever #dist you are using
<0> makes no difference
<0> huh?
<1> hm...
<0> which 2.6.16?
<2> Looks to me like the newer kernel didn't have the requisite chipset support built in for the disk controller.
<0> I bet you haven't used 2.6.16.18 :)
<1> i use gentoo... some small patch. gentoo-2.6.16-r7 2.6.16.16
<2> You did use an *identical* kernel config, right?
<0> stalkerg: then you need too h***le ppl in #gentoo, not here
<1> not diffrent. i am use vanilla kernel too
<0> I've not had issues with flash or msdos/vfat on any kernel with source from kernel.org
<0> it's probably something stupid the gentoo patch has dine
<3> or maybe stalkerg is using some arcane laptop?
<0> delinquent: my notebooks are more arcane then most :)
<1> delinquent: no... normal PC. :)
<0> one particular one I have refuses too boot anything but 2.4.18 too date :)
<0> see thats wat he needs
<0> ditch his normal desktop n get an arcane notebook & all will be schweet :)
<3> :)
<3> mine has problems with stock kernels
<0> my PIII does too, which is why I got it I think :)
<0> that & the broken ram holder currently fixed by the capslock key jammed in between the ram & it's cover
<1> sorry to trouble you... :( ah... this big problem for me... write music to player on 20 kb/sec :( and this problem on more people i read this on LKML and russians forums. good bay :( go to kernel hack...
<2> Let me guess... this is over USB?
<0> yes
<2> Disable the hideous ub module if it's loading.
<0> Dagmar: good reason too use pcmcia or similar, it works quickly :)
<2> All it guarantees is impossibly slow USB transfers
<2> gb: I have a 1Gb SDcard and a USB card reader for it. It's quite fast.
<0> mm ub??
<0> hmm ok
<0> I just shove my sdcards straight into the pccard slot
<2> I'm not sure if it still exists in 2.6.x, but it was definitely "teh ev0l" for the later 2.4.x kernels.
<0> then mount it, I could have it automount, but I prefer the old fashioned ways :)
<2> I prefer not to have to much about with manually mounting media
<2> s/much/muck/
<0> usually once I noubt it, it stays mounted for quite a while
<2> I copy files to mine and then stick it back into the Zire 31
<0> how do you find the 1gig card?
<0> can you use it in most devices?
<2> NewEgg actually. I paid like $22 for it.
<2> I've not had any problems using it with much of anything.
<2> It's not even some crazy brand, either. It's PNY
<0> that means nothing too me
<2> PNY is one of the more common "generic RAM" makers.
<0> ahh ok
<2> They're not exactly "performance cl***" but they work reliably
<0> I was looking at building a huge storage device based on flash till I read about the number of failed cards
<2> I'm seriously considering getting another (probably smaller one) just to use to boot from
<2> Well, you can't exactly write to them over and over safely, but once they're written to they read over and over again without a big problem
<2> SDcards are also quite a bit faster than the usual USB thumbdrive
<0> yeah thats the prob, I need something rewritable reliably :)
<0> & low power consumption/noise
<2> You pretty much need magnetic media to expect reliable writes over a long period of time
<0> yeah but even magnetic aint reliable
<2> Notebook drives aren't exactly cheap but they tend to fit the criteria you're suggesting
<0> n it's much hungrier/noisier
<0> nah nb hdd are too expensive
<2> They're a bit slower than a full sized drive (tend to be 5400RPM for one thing) but still
<2> Shop around. They tend to be about 30% more expensive than a regular-sized drive on a bad day
<0> not for same capacity drives
<2> If you don't mind small (relatively speaking... I don't think of 40Gb as small) you can nab them for about a dollar a Gb
<2> I
<0> maybe the smaller ones are only 30% dearer, the larger you go the bigger the difference
<0> I know because I've been looking
<2> I'd have installed a carputer by now except I live in Tennessee... The summers here are brutal. Unless you park in a covered garage you can expect the trunk to get to 110F inside *easily* and just forget putting something like that inside the car, even under the seat
<0> thats why I'n seriously looking at building a low powered machine based on standard mobo/ide, etc
<2> You're probably going to want something that's meant to be used without a fan, and stick a fan on it unless you live somewhere where it stays relatively cool year 'round
<0> Dagmar: I live in the aus bish & my Beast gets 60degC+
<2> ...or drop some more serious money on some Zalman heat-pipe coolers
<2> Yeah, that sounds just a wee bit warmer than it gets here in the summers
<0> nah I like the heat :)
<2> I don't. I'm specially adapted for living in a machine room environment.
<0> but thats getting away from kernel chatter
<4> Hi. I have a problem with compiled kernel with Root over NFS support. Is this right place to ask about it, or is there any channel about NFS?
<5> Stargazers: try asking or /msg chanserv list *nfs*
<0> not again
<4> Well. I try to do this: I need to make diskeless computer. I have a computer as a NFS server, 192.168.0.2. The computer what I try to make work is 192.168.0.1. I compiled a kernel with NFS over root and with my 3c509 driver. 3com driver work well, I can get ip right etc, but always when it tries to mount root filesystem over NFS, it just won't mount it. Says ALERT! /dev/nfs does not exist. After it goes to BusyBox, I can mount that NFS drive right, but not
<2> So the obvious question that springs to my mind is why don't you have /dev/nfs in your initrd?
<4> In initrd? Any tutorial how I can make it on initrd?
<2> It's just mknod, as per suual.
<2> s/suual/usual/;
<2> The initrd is the / filesystem that the kernel sees the moment it boots.
<2> It's been awhile since I've messed around with PXE boot but you should be able to get an initrd to cross the network using tftp just like you can the kernel.
<4> Hmmh. I made mknod /etc/nfs b0 255 (or something like that, can't remember just now) on my NFS server computer? But should I make something after that then
<4> mkinitrd or like that
<4> ?
<2> No, you need /dev/nfs on the diskless/client machines you're booting.
<2> mkinitrd is just a script
<2> Once you have an initrd image you can just (optionally uncompressing it first) mount it over a loop device and make whatever changes you want to it
<4> Well... Have to look
<2> There's a lot of HOWTOs online about making and modifying initrd images.
<2> If the kernel is complaining that it's not finding something it needs when the system is booting, you just need to stick whatever it wants into the initrd
<5> Stargazers: have you read http://www.faqs.org/docs/Linux-mini/NFS-Root.html
<2> ...or just get lazy and start booting off a USB flash disk
<4> I have no USB flash disk, and my computer is just too old for that...
<5> that requires fair amount of knowledge also
<4> Right
<5> anyway ... isn't /dev/nfs like a kernel boot argument (root=/dev/nfs) and not actual device file?
<4> Well. I don't know. I thought it is just a pseudo file
<5> Stargazers: read that document it will tell you all about it
<4> Ok. Have to look it again if I understand about it something...
<4> Can there be a problem only with my kernel parameters? I use these: "APPEND initrd=ubuntu/initrd.img root=/dev/nfs ip=192.168.0.1:192.168.0.2:0.0.0.0:255.255.255.0:buffy:eth0:off"
<0> Stargazers: if you are using an ubuntu stock kernel you are better asking in #ubuntu as they do wierd things too their kernels
<0> have you tried compiling everything need too mount / into a kernek of your own avoiding the need for using initrd.img at all?
<0> I've mounted / over nfs back in 2.0 but back then there was no such thing as initrd
<0> you simply dumped your kernel into your / export & powered up the diskless box which went over the network & grabbed it off 192.168.0.1:/
<4> gb: Hmmh
<0> I've no idea what's in your nic bios but I'm guessing it probably dunno how too cope with an initrd
<4> I downloaded kernel source with apt-get and compiled it with 3Com driver support and NFSRoot support
<4> And put that kernel on /tftpboot/ubuntu/vmlinux (Compressed of course)
<4> And initrd I taked from this NFS server initrd file
<4> And copied that to /tftpboot/ubuntu/initd.img
<4> And in pxeconfig.cfg/defaul file I have put that it uses that kernel and that initrd. Those work fine. But the moment when it tries to mount root filesystem, it does not work.
<0> Stargazers: you still need too talk too sumone on #ubuntu or the equiv too lkml for ubuntu too determine if there is a known issue with nfs in the ubuntu hacks of the kernel source
<4> Ok
<0> I cannot give you anything positive in that respect
<4> Thanks. Have to ask if someone knows...
<0> I'm guessing by the number of ppl with nfs issues using ubuntu, that there probably is some issue
<4> Well, I have asked it but none can
<4> 't help :/
<4> I have tried this couple of days now
<0> you are not the first too ask unfortunately but theres nothing I can really offer
<4> Yep. Maybe someone writes more easy to understand -tutorial someday
<4> Which work with current kernels
<0> Stargazers: I think it's only a ubuntu issue, try a different dist/kernel source & you might have more joy
<4> Many of tutorials uses old kernel, 2.0 etc, and other tutorials says that you don't need that and that and that what was needed befor. Uh
<4> Oh, rly?
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