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<0> oh yes
<0> it's not failing to swap at all, just when it's important :)
<0> one sec, let me repro it
<1> what counter
<0> kernel struct that gets p***ed around in the vm routines
<0> let me repro this, and then I'll see if I can find the source file/line again that I saw it
<1> oki
<0> sysctl -p to reload?
<1> yes
<1> from your conf
<0> okay
<1> oki
<1> have you remade the error
<0> in a somewhat predictable twist, no, I haven't
<2> heh..thanks anyhow
<1> ;-)
<0> I'm looking at an old syslog that I saved though
<0> dumb question, overcommit, is 0 or 2 the normal setting?
<2> don't quite have any good spare computer so..was wondering about taking the livecd to friend's system and see if I can get something out of that or not :p
<2> (good as in mhz+ram wise for compiling that is)
<1> 0
<0> Feb 28 13:36:10 localhost kernel: [5190645.447000] Swap cache: add 2777781, delete 2770739, find 343316/588597, race 4+18
<0> Feb 28 13:36:10 localhost kernel: [5190645.447000] Free swap = 463100kB
<0> Feb 28 13:36:10 localhost kernel: [5190645.447000] Total swap = 746980kB
<0> Feb 28 13:36:10 localhost kernel: [5190645.447000] Out of Memory: Killed process 24809 (wine-preloader).
<1> black_Nightmare: whats the question?
<1> cwillu: maybe you should make some methodic studies and post it on the lkml
<1> smells like a bug
<0> what I'm really worried is that maybe it's an ubuntu screwup, or a hardware fault of my own, but it just doesn't seem like it
<1> cwillu: hmm im a pretty busy man right now
<2> well one thing I was wondering about was if lfs uses its own package it has or it can download them as it needs to instead?
<0> np, thanks for your help
<1> but ,, you should try to provocate the error on another setup
<1> ubuntu ****s
<0> it also has about the best chances of being an actual normal-person distro :p
<2> ugh..wait..which channel am I in (thinks I'm talking in wrong one)
<1> well its not all bad but i dont trust it for important data/ services
<0> fair enough
<1> black_Nightmare: kernel,, like in ,, the linux kernel., like wre discussing kernel issues
<1> preferably serious ones,, not how to compile one
<2> doh..thought I was in #lfd... ughh I hate having many channels opened at same time
<0> it's a desktop distro, that's for sure; I'd only consider it for a server role if it had to be supported by ms folk :p
<2> heh
<0> btw, you mind walking me through that? :p
<1> cwillu: hahah actually my home wannabe server runs ubuntu
<1> but it isnt an important machine
<0> and I've got a openvpn install running on one (being admin'd by ms folk)
<1> i really need to setup a vpn
<1> i have a AP laying around for 5 years
<1> being to paranoid to use it
<0> openvpn is really, really great
<1> too
<2> (feels really weird to be talking half of my topic in another channel meh)
<0> lol
<2> cwillu..just so it made sense..I was wondering about the linux-from-scratch livecd btw
<1> hmm
<0> so long as ipsec isn't a requirement, you're probably better of with openvpn; simple client, based on openssh, few things to screw up, and the network config is just standard net config
<0> no kernel recompiles (uses tun/tap), which I find is a big thing
<1> i kinda have the idea that ipsec is black magic
<0> it, um, is
<1> tun tap,, okey then its not ultra secure i guess
<1> but wth ,, better than any wep wpa scheme
<0> quite
<0> I'd trust it more than an ipsec solution, just because there's far fewer things to screw up
<1> yea
<1> its never to be underestimated how easy it is to use a product correctly
<1> like iptables ,, could deffinitly use a better syntax
<0> looking at the examples?
<0> oh, nevermind :p
<1> im by no means a shark
<0> I get it now
<1> whenever i make a script i forget the syntax 3 min after
<0> heh
<1> openbsds seemed more intuitive
<0> been a while since I looked at bsd's rules
<0> or any of them really
<0> but iptables does make my head hurt
<1> well maybe i was just easily impressed at that moment
<1> but firewalls is really a place where people needs to know how to set them up
<1> many ms folks have absolutely no clue wtf is going on
<0> it's something where simple (in the simple tools, not simple minded sense) is a Really Good thing.
<1> yea
<0> Symantec's firewalls config is vaguely nice
<1> so little time,, so much software to work on
<1> never seen those
<0> web deployed, over an iptables impl
<1> hahah typically
<0> the annoying thing is that, being a wrapper, there are some useful things you just can't do
<0> but otherwise it was fairly straightforward
<1> bastards just cash in on the OSS community gives nothing back
<0> typical
<0> acronis has a beautiful front end on the partitioning/imaging tools
<0> somebody really needs to take them to court over it :)
<1> haha
<1> cisco charges $$$ for ssh access for some products
<0> snicker
<1> using openssh
<0> on the other hand, nobody who buys cisco expects anything to come free
<1> talking to a minor important dev of ssh cisco gave them
<0> what's your opinion of the typical home router's firewall config?
<1> 1: a old crap laptop ,,, The End
<1> what firewall config ?
<1> its a masq router typically
<0> the mechanism provided in your typical linksys or d-link
<1> actaully its fine for its purpose
<0> simple enough problem space I guess;
<1> the dsl modems and cable modems is what you need to look out for
<0> how so?
<0> without using a seperate router?
<1> they could of cause block sending and receiving traffic from all other than 80 and 443 but ppl needing that will find out ho to setup the router
<1> what bothers me it the security of the router box itself
<1> yes modems,, aka dynamic ip to one machine not a router
<1> aka ,,,big fat worm target
<0> lol
<1> tried a machine on one of those cablemodem MANs
<2> and another thing: QUIT LEAVING THE DEFAULT P***WORD ON...meh....no wonder
<2> ^_^
<1> new XP ,, BLAM worm in 2min
<0> for the $50 bucks it costs, I just tell everyone who asks to buy the damn router; really about the only way to install xp safely to the point of getting patches installed
<1> black_Nightmare: yes ,, thats the biggest router problem
<1> remote config from the isp should be over ssh and with a custom pwd for each box
<1> ohh well i need to get out of this noisy room
<0> lol
<0> thanks for the help; hopefully I can trace this back to an update that fixed my vm issues
<1> 7me sitting in a minicluster room ,, like 90-100 DB of fan and AC noise
<0> or figure out exactly what I was smoking for a year :p
<0> giggle
<1> cwillu: you keep us posted right
<0> definatly
<1> i might try out swapiness on a workstation
<0> I won't consider it fixed until I get no oom's for a week or so;
<1> bbl
<0> ttyl, thanks again
<3> cwillu: no threats please
<0> wha?
<3> ttyl??
<0> talk to ya later?
<3> exactly you threatened too talk too us :)
<0> or is that a threat in and of it self? :p
<0> ahhh
<0> quite
<0> (one 'o' in those 'to's, btw :p)
<0> only 'too' can get away with having too many o's
<0> okay, I'll stop now
<3> When you are typing without using acronyms, then I'll let you correct my english & typographocal errors :P
<4> heh
<0> see, now you're asking for it; at the time I was making my corrections to your english and typographical errors (note the lack of use of the '&' abbreviation), I wasn't using any abbreviations. Contractions, yes; abbreviations, no. :p
<3> cwillu: you really have no clue who I am do you?
<3> drop the non kernel related corrections please
<0> /who gb
<3> thankyou
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