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<0> what's the easiest way to test an irda driver?
<1> balrog-kun: place it in a irda vechile
<2> any good howto's out there on how to tune a raid device?
<2> how can you change the commit interval for kjournald?
<3> hi everyone
<1> medium noone
<4> does printing debugging messages &logs take a significaant proportion of code in the linux kernel?
<1> umm thats usually handles by an external entity too the kernel
<1> via proc, etc
<1> & yes I would imagine there is a fair portion of code devoted too proper logging
<3> does anyone here understand GPL well
<1> edude05: why the poll?
<3> gb?
<3> Oh because I'm very confused but wish to use a custom kernel in my upcoming distro
<1> Goran_: you can disable much debugging and/or switch it on/off/increase it's verbose level via certain flags on the prompt also
<3> I need to know if there are any loop holes in the GPL so that you can preserve some of your source
<3> In the case, its because it deals with encryption and releasing the algorithim would be bad
<1> edude05: that varies from country too country, but basically you can preserve what you like & offer multiple licenses for your code depending on what its used for if you're that way inclined, but licensing ultimately wont stop someone ripping off your code
<0> heh
<0> hiding the algorithm is not a proper way of securing data
<0> it's an absolutely wrong way of securing data :)
<3> balrog-kun: true but it makes it just a little harder
<3> gb: so what it the original code the you modified was GPL'ed though?
<1> as for encryption, many operating on encryption in the usa have tunnels too other countries too get around loopholes in local law re having too release their encryption algorithyms too the authorities
<3> balrog-kun: are you japanese?
<0> "information wants to be free"
<0> edude05: nope
<1> apparrently keystrokes are treated differently too the actual code generated :)
<0> edude05: if you release your code as a part of the kernel, you will have to publish the code too, but you can have _modules_ using different licences
<0> oops, i worded it badly
<1> besides whats the point of encrypting something if you cant decrypt it?
<0> if your code is part of the kernel, it has to be GPL.
<0> if it's a standalone module, it can have different licences
<3> gb: both modules would be built into the kernel
<3> although, i don't want to find out first hand, what happens if you disobey the GPL anyway?
<1> encryption for many countries is a touchy subject & regardless of what you license it as, you ultimately have no control over how its used/abused
<3> gb: it has nothing to do with how it will be used.... i worded that badly
<1> oh ok
<3> It's more about fuctionality.... i'll explain my goal so maybe i can be guided better
<1> good idea
<3> everyone know xbox 360 right??
<1> nope sorry
<3> Well it has 3 cores or something like that
<3> the idea is that each core can "do it own thing"
<1> oh like plug in modules or OS's?
<1> or hardware?
<0> i think he means hardware
<3> I'm now working on a linux "distro" (if iut can be called that) that would be for media and gaming (all written by my team and I)
<3> balrog-kun :yeah hardware like dual core
<3> or SMP
<1> ahh ok
<0> oh
<3> anyway... the thing i'm working on now is the kernel.... some parts of the game media are compress and encrypted (to prevent caualy tampering) right?
<1> ok your building an os, from scratch or using gpl/other licenses?
<3> so the idea is the kernel would divided the processor (this is on a SMP / Dual core machine remember) so that one thread processes the game info and the other thread does the decryption, decompressing and loading
<1> edude05: more likely too prevent others from getting a foothold in the market
<3> however. this is based on the linux kernel but I can let people get a hold of the algorithim easily or else there's no point putting it to begin with
<3> balrog-kun: more than you think :-P
<3> just not some of the protected stuff that I don't want people tampering with
<3> games, firmware and the installation disc won't be gpl standard apps and the rest of the OS (not the kernel) would be opensource
<0> well, gpl was created to prevent exactly that, to let people tamper with anything they like
<3> balrog-kun: I know, that why I"m here to find a loop hole so I can release my custom kernel
<3> (without full source ofcourse)
<0> okay
<1> no gpl was more too protect opensource from being misused by greedy ppl for their own purposes who then release code they call they're own they've ripped off from others
<0> it's fine but i won't be helping you, i'm on the gpl side
<0> i will just shut up
<3> balrog-kun: I hate when people say that becasue it make it sound like I'm a bad person
<0> gb: that's what copyright is for
<3> Is it so bad to not want people to rip apart the code you wrote so they wouldn't rip it apart?
<1> balrog-kun: yup, hasn't stopped microsoft though :P
<0> edude05: kindof ;p
<1> they sue people for copyright & happily go tromping all over sumone elses copyright, too date I dont think they've touched anything thats gpl'd though
<1> but yes I like balrog-kun will not help people out too make a buck out of my free advice :)
<0> i will just shut up :)
<1> same
<3> Hold on, who said that this is for money?
<0> freeware isn't for money either but it doesn't make it any better
<0> it doesn't satisfy the four freedoms.. what was it...
<1> balrog-kun: thought you was gunna shutup :P
<0> freedom to use, study, share, modify
<0> gb: oh, i forgot :P
<1> hehehe sorry :)
<3> Lol
<1> there's that mating call again
<5> hi
<5> nobody?
<6> nope, not even you.
<5> :)
<5> why some kernel build tutorial said to change EXTRAVERSION number in the make file... and some other no....
<7> what is GSI in GSI 20 sharing vector 0xD1 and IRQ 20 ?
<7> is GSI an APIC thing?
<8> hi guys
<8> what should I do, I rebooted the machine
<8> and I get this message
<8> Unable to handle kernel NULL pointer deference at virtual adress 00004
<8> kernel panic: Attempted to kill the idle task . In idle taskl - nmot syncing
<7> Snow: do you have a working kernel at all?
<9> it stopped working after reboot
<7> you only have one kernel in grub?
<8> yeah it was working properly
<8> yeah oly one
<8> I netinstalled debian
<7> oops ;)
<7> you need a boot cd then it seems
<9> oh... you never booted this kernel?
<8> I have booted
<8> it was working properly
<8> then I rebooted the machine
<8> and now these errors
<7> Snow: do you have a boot cd?
<8> no :)
<9> grab one
<7> do you have a cd drive?
<9> like grml
<8> boot floppy doesn't work somehow :)
<8> floppy doesn't work, I don't have cd-rom now
<7> do you have a physical drive?
<7> how did you do a net install without a boot cd?
<8> I had the cd-rom
<8> I borrowed it ;]
<8> no i don't have cd-rom
<7> ok.. so you do have a drive!
<8> i have boot cd :)
<8> yeah, I have a hard drive
<7> you have a cd drive
<8> no
<7> you don't have the disk itself any more right?
<8> i haven't
<7> you took the drive out?
<8> is it so hard to understand?
<8> yeah, I took the cd-rom out
<7> you could have said that!
<8> I am talking to you normally cd-rom means the device
<8> cd means disc
<8> no?
<8> ;]
<7> you need to put it back in
<8> and what then?
<8> boot the debian with boot cd
<8> and ?
<7> boot off the cd... fix the kernel
<7> i.e. add a new kernel to grub
<8> how fix
<8> the kernel?
<7> you should always have one known working kernel in your list
<8> can you tell me why it stopped working
<7> you just need to chroot and install a working kernel
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