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<0> what should the filesystem type for RAID partitions be?
<1> pretty sure it's whatever the it will be formatted as later
<2> multi_io: doesn't matter
<2> you can use whatever fstype you like with raid
<0> gb: I meant software RAID
<0> but I already got the answer in #linux :)
<0> it's 0xfd
<3> Is Jan 1st, 1970 00:00:00 unix second number 1 or number 0?
<4> mkrenz: what would be second 0 then ? :)
<3> Well, a RedHat instructor just tried to tell us that second 0 is actually Dec 31st, 1969, 23:59:59. Perl's gmtime() function disagrees with him.
<3> But this guy has been making lots of information mistakes.
<3> He knows a lot, but also has some misinformation.
<1> but is it the end of 23:59:59 or the beginning ?
<4> :)
<3> ahhhh!
<3> ok, got a new one at Target
<4> # date -s "1970.01.01-00:00"; date +%s
<4> Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 UTC 1970
<4> 0
<4> #
<4> so uclibc votes for second 0
<3> Thanks.
<5> i found this code in the kernel and was confused as to what the point of the do while loop, that never loops was
<5> #define INIT_LIST_HEAD(ptr) do { \
<5> (ptr)->next = (ptr); (ptr)->prev = (ptr); \
<5> } while (0)
<6> Gravis: that trick is used a lot, not only in the kernel
<5> what does it do exactly?
<6> Gravis: i think "info gcc" covers that too
<5> inline the code?
<6> what it does is..
<1> it lets you have a code block
<1> that works with if (x) INIT_LIST_HEAD(x)
<6> yup, it lets you use INIT_LIST_HEAD(ptr) exactly like a function call in any context
<1> even though its more than 1 statement
<5> ahh
<5> couldnt you just put the code in {} though to specify it as a block?
<5> it seems a bit weird :P
<6> you could, but then you couldn't use it as naturally in some contexts
<5> oh... and does it cause any increase in the number of operations? of does gcc recognize the trick?
<5> or*
<6> for example adding a ; after INIT_LIST_HEAD(ptr) would then make it two statements and you couldn't use it between if () and else
<1> http://c-faq.com/cpp/multistmt.html
<5> heh... oh those crazy cats and their macros. :P
<5> this isnt exactly kernel related but you guys seem smarter than the guys in ##linux. i upgraded some lib via apt and now it's broken a few applications (like wine and mplayer) and i want to find which one it is so i can replace it with a working version. any idea how i can do that?
<1> try #mydistro :)
<2> Gravis: the preferred place too get help for your dist is as theoddbot said, however if you are using debian & still have the old package you can downgrade to the old onne with dpkg
<5> gb: indeed... but which package is what im trying to find out
<2> If your not interested in learning how too use dpkg aptitude install mc;tap <enter on the needed deb>;select install from within
<2> Gravis: how did you know you upgraded libs?
<5> because i did apt-get upgrade and then later various programs suddenly didnt work
<2> reinstall the application thats broken, most decent aps do sanity checks for missing libs/incorrect ersions, then install the missing/correct version of the lib needed
<2> obviously you weren't using aptitude or this would not have happenned
<5> gb: i installed from source and it still didnt work
<5> gb: it's a broken lib, not a versioning issue
<2> well then you need too start reading & sort it for yourself
<5> gb: you have been so helpful :/
<2> but you were right before it aint a kernel issue
<2> Gravis: one more thing did you bother asking anyone what apt-get upgrade does in #debian before doing it?
<2> if you had I think everyone would have said dont do it unless you have a clue
<5> gb: i know exactly how apt works. i use synaptic which is a frontend. i not new to this
<2> which you clearly dont
<2> thats why when I upgrade things I do it at a controllable number of packages at a time in a shell I have a log off so I dont have too come whining into the wrong channel about a broken library
<2> if your front end cant tell you what broke its a pretty pathetic front end
<2> Gravis: do you have anything kernel related too type about?
<5> scroll up about an hour ago
<2> uhuh
<7> I have a question that may not be related to this channel. does a FPU shift the number to a whole number to do math on it ?
<2> hmm that'l get it answered
<8> I have a question, I am running suse, and I am trying to install a new kernel via rpm and I get the following (the install says it failed but it still semi-works)
<8> ill post it on a paste site the output from yast
<8> http://pastebin.com/577961
<8> Anyone ?
<2> [Dameon]: try #suse
<8> lol im in there helping everyone else =/
<2> Lamer On Line where?
<8> ??
<8> one last try: Can anyone help me? Im running suse 10 and I tried an rpm kernel install from kernel of the day: and I get this at end: http://pastebin.com/577961
<8> ok I guess no one can help me here...
<9> I have searched hi and low on google for lost tick issues on x2 amd64 but still am having issues. I have the lost ticks minimized on boot now, and clock skew is gone. but I still cant keep the dang time straight in the bios. Any ideas?
<9> I tried disabling acpi in the bios, and the thing wont even boot
<9> it was so bad i couldnt even build a kernel without toucing all files in /usr
<9> i am hoping the answer is not "run ntpd"
<9> My thoughts leaned to a buggy bios, but so many other people are still having trouble with this lost ticks and clock time issues
<9> i have tried kernel options of timer=pit, clock=pmtmr, notsc, nohpet, noacpi, noapic, and recently have settled on apicpmtimer on nitro1 sources
<9> loss some ticks at the start until the kernel settles on using the acpi timer
<9> ...update nowonder ticks loss is less... did not enable smp in the last build... hrm...
<10> hello
<10> i can t activate the fw_hotplug_loader in my 2.6.15 people on other channel can t answer me
<2> other channel?
<10> please can you help me you are the only one channel who can help me
<10> sorry for my english
<2> I dont use 2.6
<11> kartoon[jb]: qu'est-ce que tu veux faire ?
<10> it include the driver for my wirelesscard
<10> LaoTseu,
<10> ahh
<10> ben
<10> j arrive pas a activer le fw_hotplug
<10> et je trouve nul part qquelque chose ou quelqu un qui en parle
<11> pv
<10> je m arrach les cheveu
<12> hiyas. anybody ever developed a kernel module with kdevelop and is willing to help me getting started?
<2> nup
<12> hmmm
<12> any idea where to get a Rules.make in the kernel source directory? seems to need it
<2> I agree
<13> anyone having problems running games with the nice levels the kernel sets recently ?
<2> nup
<2> nethack works great
<13> that isnt 3d is it ?
<10> can you help me please ?
<10> i don t understand in menu config the option " --- Hotplug firmware loading " i can t activate it or modularize it
<10> and when i look in the .config i see
<10> CONFIG_FW_LOADER=y
<2> oh no
<2> kartoon[jb]: no
<2> BzFire: of course not I dont have any 3d hardware
<10> why no
<13> gb: ohh :P
<10> ah no you can t help me
<14> moin gb
<2> hoe yuh kookin bob?
<14> your poor typist must look like swiss cheese
<2> hehehe
<2> you'd think I'd have learnt how too type by now wouldn't you?
<2> mind you typing one handed on a keyboard designed too slow down two hands is annoying
<2> certainly aggravates the arthritis in my remaining usable hand
<2> ok watching house
<14> heh
<14> must cook aka burn my food and eat it with hot sauce
<2> uhuh/me had meatyballs n vege
<2> bobbens: you should be thankful you dont burn water like I do :)
<2> oh no
<15> oh my head :)
<15> gb, i will killall -9 u :)
<2> _RADIOhead: no dont do this on your box killall -9 init
<2> or I will die
<15> :)
<15> if i do that then no drop pdp11 on my head :)
<2> of course not :)
<2> but then I'll be dropping pdp's on other people via there init :)
<2> so many more too chose from :)
<15> gb, : :)
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