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<0> As in 'the rc file for the taskbar' but anyway.
<0> I linked you to the xml file that defines those settings just aboe
<0> above*
<0> It clearly says ktaskbarrc, I would have thought you'd have looked at it :)
<1> you mentioned the last commit specifically, so i thought that was the important part and was looking at that.
<0> Yeah, if you saw the last commit then you know why it was relevant
<0> if your KDE version is previous to that, you can't change the values much
<2> guys how do i get home and trashcan back on my desktop
<2> for somereaosn when i boot into kde they are not there
<1> also, you said they dont need to be in any group?
<0> No, iirc ktaskbarrc just has one big group for all settings
<0> but I'll check
<1> canllaith: well i dont care about the minimum i can set it, i am trying to set it larger.
<1> canllaith: i had to add it to [General] to work
<0> ironfroggy: ok it seems that the new transparent taskbar kicker has an [Appearance] as well
<0> so I should update that
<0> Yes, [General]
<1> well crap. i finally was able to resize the taskbar buttons...
<1> but the icons dont resize with the buttons.
<0> Nope
<1> and i dont see anything in taskbar.kcfg that looks to do that.
<0> Nope
<1> so why not have it standard that any config dialog has an extra tab that just lists all the options from the kcfg file and allows direct editing of them?
<1> it seems like it would be a good way to expose advanced settings.
<0> because the vast majority of users object to that much complexity
<1> they dont have to see it.
<1> its just like an "Advanced" button in an options panel
<0> Which they already complain about
<1> let them. they dont have to click the damn button.
<0> So why should we do what you want and not them? Or indeed anyone else?
<0> The choice stands with the maintainer. He's decided not to.
<1> maintainer of what, exactly? im saying this should be standard practice across all kde components.
<0> ironfroggy: No, I don't think so.
<0> An application already exists to better utilise the kcfg files.
<0> You could be using that instead of editing them by hand.
<1> that offsets the configuration of the component away from the component itself, which is unintuitive.
<0> Nothing is intuitive about using a computer.
<0> It's all learned.
<1> thats a pesemistic statement. you are saying no interface is better than any othe.
<0> No, if I was going to say that I'd say 'No interface is better than any other'
<0> To say an interface is unintuitive is no better than saying 'It's crap' or 'It ****s'
<0> It says you dislike it but gives aboslutely no clue why.
<0> There is nothing intuitive about editing configurations. Ever.
<1> i disagree. i believe configuration files are quite unintuitive. if im using some piece of software and im looking for something to adjust or configure, the first place im going to look is its configuration options, not some file elsewhere in my sysmte.
<1> if configuration file were so intuitive, why would there be Settings menus in so many applications?
<0> There is nothing intuitive about editing configuration. I'm sure I said that only a few lines ago.
<0> I think perhaps you should go find someone else to argue with.
<1> well you keep continuing it as well. i enjoy a spirited debate.
<2> guys how do i get home and trashcan back on my desktop
<1> just add .desktop enties. right click on your desktop and create new->Link to Location
<3> Hello. What can I use/where can I change users' avatars?
<3> (Those displayed by KDM.)
<4> by definition nothing that requires any sort of logic is intuative.
<1> canllaith: well, anyway, on to something else. i had some thoughts i wanted to get to the ears of some developers, but im not sure what components its related to and who to direct this to. any chance you could suggest?
<4> redondos: same place you configure KDM.
<3> Thanks, I just found it. Forgive me.
<0> ironfroggy: bug report?
<0> ironfroggy: (you can file bugs as wishes)
<1> yes but i dont know what to report the bug on.
<4> redondos: I'll think about it ;) .. lol
<0> Well, what are the ideas about ?
<3> smileaf: :)
<3> smileaf: Is only root allowed to change those icons?
<1> i would like to propose a UI element to help with drag-and-drop, such that any elements that begin to be dragged cause a circle of icons to appear around the cursor, of places currently available to drag to.
<3> smileaf: I'd like each user to be able to.
<4> redondos: it can be configured to allow each user. it's that setting in the upper right.
<1> this would be for dragging links from any kde application, files, images, anything that can be a drag-and-drop element.
<3> smileaf: Ah, great. Thanks.
<0> Hrm, that's a difficult one ironfroggy
<3> smileaf: But clicking the icon doesn't open the file selector dialog.
<3> smileaf: It does when I'm doing it with root privileges, though.
<1> i cant think of any one component of KDE where that kind of functionality would be handled.
<0> I'm not sure what that would come under, perhaps you could email aseigo AT kde.org about it?
<3> smileaf: But not as a normal user.
<0> I'm sure he could p*** it on to the right person
<1> canllaith: who is that? so i know how to address and approach him properly.
<0> Aaron Seigo
<4> redondos: users configure this in the Security & Privacy -> P***word & User Account
<1> what do you think about the idea, personally?
<3> smileaf: Awesome. :)
<3> smileaf: Very helpful, thanks.
<0> It sounds like it might be a good idea
<0> **** boss kicking my *** for not doing something brb
<1> it would be contextual. so, for example, if you begin to drag a set of files, and you have 3 tabs in konq open in another window directed at folders, the three folders should show up in the "drop ring", instead of having to drag to the taskbar to get the window, then to the tab, etc.
<1> sorry for interupting your work O.o thanks for the help.
<4> ironfroggy: that would be a LOT of icons around the cursor.
<4> I would think it'd be confusing and would get in the way more than it would help but that's just me.
<1> why do you think it would be a lot of icons?
<4> you purpose an icon for each drop site right?
<1> each currently available dropsite, yes. but how many folders do you expect to have open at any given time?
<4> you did say everything even text tho did you not?
<1> what do you mean by "everything even text"?
<4> [23:39] <1> this would be for dragging links from any kde application, files, images, anything that can be a drag-and-drop element.
<1> yeah but if you dragging a file, it would only show drop sites relevent to files.
<4> think about it. if you can drag a selection of text.. how many different drop sites are there in konqueror alone?
<1> well they dont all have to be exposed like this. only ones that would be likely to drag between windows, of relevent types, etc.
<4> on a website with no forums about 2.. but on a website with alot of text areas.. it could add up.
<4> not to mention all the other apps they have open.
<1> it could be intelligently handled. all the forms on a website dont need to show up in this.
<1> but for example, if you start dragging text then icons can show up saying things like "open URL in new window", ".. in new tab", and "Add to BasKet"
<4> while I can't say I drag and drop text that often it's normally a very short distance. likewise with files and directories.
<4> and speaking of files and directories. how would you handle a simple move event? like lets say I'm just reorganizing my desktop?
<1> it woudlnt be a thing where all dropsites are automatically pushed into this, they would have to add themselves to the pool of drop ring canidates, and only a limited number would actually be in the ring.
<1> smileaf: what about it? if you are just moving around your desktop, why do you think it would be any different than it is now?
<4> moving around is no different than a drag and drop event.
<4> I'm dragging an icon... and dropping it in a different location on the screen.
<4> doesn't matter if it's left the 'window' or not.
<4> or even if it's over another icon.. and if it was chances are that's the one you want to drag it to anyway so there would be no need for a circle of icons.
<1> yeah i get that.. so whats the problem? you dont have to drop it into the ring, it just there for if you do need it.
<4> so what happens if I only want to move it a short distance? what if it's over that ring?
<4> can't use a keyboard modifier to enable or disable this ring.. all are already in use.
<4> ironfroggy: I don't wanna drive your idea into the ground.. just wanna make sure we got everything covered ;)
<4> ironfroggy: so I hope I'm helping you.
<1> smileaf: delay on it appearing and a timeout before it disappears then, and if you leave the ring it would go away right away.
<4> doesn't sound bad.
<4> Well I can't think of anything else so I think you got it covered =)
<4> I would have a very short timeout before disappearing when you exit the ring tho.
<4> this would cover an accidental leaving.
<4> And if moved beyond an icons distance it would disable the ring from appearing.
<4> would be quite annoying if that timeout hit just as you released the button while over your drop site ne? :)
<4> Ok I'm done... good night everyone! :D
<5> anyone get kmyfirewall 1.0.1 to work ?
<6> kdevelop just crashed, and everytime I try to reopen it it opens and becomes unresponsive
<1> Tman_: try removing any stale pid, cache, or config files?
<6> ironfroggy: where would I find those?
<1> i dunno
<1> look for any kdevelop files in /var/run and check your .kde/share/config
<1> sometimes you might try backing up your rc file and removing the original, so kdevelop starts up freshly.
<6> ironfroggy: moving the rc worked
<6> ironfroggy: thanks
<2> how in the world do i get my trashcan and home icons back on my desktop in kde
<2> for some reason when i booted into kde from fedora they were never on there
<7> mr_jfrsn: you can just crate a link to trash:/
<2> yes but when i right click on it .. theres no empty trashcan or anything
<8> mr_jfrsn: Right click on desktop, configure desktop, behavior, show icons on desktop?
<9> Ardonik: that doesn't feature a trash icon
<8> Ah, okay
<10> I would like to bind the mute key on my keyboard to mute the sound system. How can I do it ?
<11> mr_jfrsn: Home you should be able to drag and drop from your KMenu
<11> roxy_: global shortcuts in kmix
<2> thanks guys
<10> Renze: good morning and thanks
<11> morning? it's 6:27pm :P
<11> no problem :)
<2> just trying to get kde looking good :)
<10> Renze: you're lier: [08:29] <11> morning? it's 6:27pm :P
<2> switched from gnome
<11> Wed Jul 26 18:28:55 NZST 2006
<11> :P
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