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<0> not with my head :)
<0> although, i must admit i've never had a problem with any linux kernel.
<0> and if you compile your own kernel it is easy to see which components are 'experimental' now.
<1> I've had one kernel panic, but that was my fault for not putting my filesystem in :D
<0> lol
<1> oops :)
<2> hi
<1> howdy stoned
<2> Renze, I think I'm partway there
<1> cool
<2> I played some guitar yesterday
<2> and man, I tell ya, I amazed even myself
<3> folks my kde menubar dissapeared
<3> i'm using ubuntu
<3> any ideas?
<4> in what app?
<1> open a konsole and run "kicker" ? (wild guess based on vague problem description)
<3> lemme try
<3> no change
<5> Kontact crash each time I quit it :(
<6> wterm is black when transparency is enabled, why???
<3> oki I called kicker it poped and fadded again
<1> any error messages on the konsole?
<4> is kicker actually running? ( see ps auxww | grep kicker)
<3> X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 16
<4> probably irrelevant
<7> t|zz: i guess wtern is not a kde application, right?
<7> wterm* even
<3> =/
<6> pinotree: right, but it should run in transparency mode under kde, in contrast to aterm
<8> is there a command line option to enable transparency?
<7> it's always a non-kde app
<8> and also is it a dark background you have set?
<6> mcrandello: it is wterm -transparent or wterm -tr
<8> if transparency works in other programs, like konsole the only other thing I could think of is you have a bum binary
<8> like they didn't compile the transparency in for the ver that came with your distro
<6> pinotree, mcrandello: can you recommend another *term with transparency but faster than konsole?
<6> mcrandello: selfcompiled...
<5> if my stacktrace got the first 27 lines similar to an already reported bug, can I ***ume it is the same bug ?
<0> t|zz: you find konsole slow?
<8> one of the rxvt branches I think has real transparency
<1> konsole is at least an order of magnitude faster than any of the alternatives for me
<8> I've taken to konsole myself just for the tabbing
<6> SimAtWork: at least with aa-fonts enabled yes, scrolling while compiling e.g. is very very slow
<0> t|zz: minmize when compiling then?
<0> t|zz: but i don't see any slow scrolling with konsole
<9> t|zz: as expected, that's what happens with some card/driver combinations.
<1> I use aa fonts in konsole, and scrolling while compiling is faster than xterm
<6> Blis***: nvidia-closed-driver
<8> you can also set a system bell to alert you when it's done if you minimize it I think
<10> gotta love poweroutages
<9> t|zz: thats exactly what it does.
<6> mcrandello: but it sould look nice on my "more or less" fast box, that's it
<9> t|zz: it is a well known problem with RENDER acceleration on that driver and AA.
<6> Blis***: but it works fast in aterm, wterm, xterm...
<8> maybe setting the overlay to xv or something
<6> overlay is xv - whatever - my capture-tvcard works perfectly trow xv
<9> t|zz: it is still slow, but the issue is that KDE does things in a slightly different way which should be equivalent but in the NVIDIA case is not.
<11> Renze: looks like it must be a permissions problem with PTP as it works under root but not as a normal user
<1> isolationist: ah, ok
<9> t|zz: anyhow AA is generally a bad idea, much better to find good fonts that do not need AA.
<11> probably a udev rule or something
<12> turn off AA if you want things to be fast if you have an nvidia card
<13> Blis***: that's only ms fonts?
<8> ctrl-alt-f1 start compiling, then ctrl-alt-f7, viola' 100% transparency
<8> sorry
<13> I didn't believe it at first, but it's right ms fonts look quite nice without aa
<6> Blis***: but anything but konsole works fine and looks good with aa, also xchat, for example - really fast with aa and transparency
<12> shining: it is
<8> at least you don't have ATI on a laptop. compiling is the only thing I get done fast
<12> t|zz: yes it's only certain apps that are effected by the issue
<13> I liked this : http://avi.alkalay.net/linux/docs/font-howto/Font.html#freetype
<9> shining: it is MS fonts, DejaVu and bitmap fonts... and Type1 fonts usually look OKish too.
<13> well, I think I prefer aa with DejaVu
<9> shining: t|zz: I ahve written a comprehensive couple of articles on my web site all this.
<13> that's what I had just before
<6> benJIman: so recommend a term-emulator that works, isn't there any other than konsole (i'm not going to install any gnome-stuff)
<13> I liked it too
<13> but it's different :)
<6> Blis***: link
<9> t|zz: yes, wait a sec.
<12> t|zz: konsole works fine
<8> rxvt-unicode
<12> t|zz: but most KDE apps will slow to a crawl if you have AA enabled on an nvidia system
<13> I don't really like using ms stuff though, but I needed to see
<6> benJIman: no, too slow in my case
<12> t|zz: turn off AA
<12> t|zz: nearly every kde app will be incredibly slow with AA enabled
<12> if you have an nvidia card
<9> t|zz: shining: http://www.sabi.co.uk/Notes/anno06-2nd.html#060509
<1> have the nvidia drivers really gotten that bad?
<12> GTK apps are not affected
<13> now I remember, that's how it started, I wanted to make kde faster, and that's why I disabled AA :d
<6> Blis***: thanks
<12> Renze: ever since 6xxx kde AA rendering is unusably slow with modern nvidia cards, gtk apps are fine
<6> benJIman: but without my truetypefonts look ugly
<9> t|zz: shining: http://www.sabi.co.uk/Notes/anno06-2nd.html#060429
<12> t|zz: you need to enable the bytecode interpreter and use ms fonts
<13> it's funny, I read somewhere debian had it enabled
<6> benJIman: what is bytecode interpreter/ms fonts are...?
<13> but the problem is that is patented
<9> shining: DejaVu (recent versions( is fairly well hinted, you need to enable the bytecode interpreter.
<13> and debian is the last one to use patented stuff
<1> benJIman: wow... and I was going to "upgrade" from my ATi 9600 to an nvidia 6200... guess I won't now :)
<12> t|zz: ms fonts are the free as in beer fonts microsoft have for download
<13> so there is a lie somewhere
<9> Renze: don't worry the 6200 is good, just don't use AA.
<12> shining: Novell legal dept thinks it's ok to include after looking at it, good enough for me
<6> benJIman: arial, times...?
<1> Blis***: I will *never* give up my AA
<12> t|zz: and verdana tahoma etc
<12> Renze: really fonts are far clearer without it
<13> benJIman: well, what I don't know if it's enabled or not on my system
<6> benJIman: but i use them, but they look ugly without aa
<9> Renze: your eyes, think of your eyes! Focusing is harder with AA.
<8> those 1200 bitstream fonts I got off the corel AP CD I got at goodwill for a buck
<1> benJIman: that's a matter of personal preference
<12> t|zz: because you havn't got bytecode interpreter enabled probably
<8> *corel WP
<1> Blis***: again, personal preference
<9> mcrandello: some are pretty decent.
<12> Renze: fonts are completely unreadable at the sizes I use with AA
<6> benJIman: so tell me what it is, how to enable, an X thing?
<13> I want a non-ms tahome font
<9> shining: and a pony too? :-)
<1> benJIman: I prefer my fonts looking smooth, not jagged
<8> Blis***: I the humanist fonts own all
<12> t|zz: a freetype thing, what distro do you use?
<6> gentoo
<13> benJIman: how do you know if it's enabled?
<12> http://bw.uwcs.co.uk/~bw/screenshots/mountopts.png <- no AA but nice looking fonts imo
<12> shining: if it's not enabled fonts look horrible
<12> not sure if I have a screenshot of without it
<1> benJIman: ugh, I couldn't stand looking at that all day... yuck
<13> benJIman: it doesn't look that great on the screen
<6> benJIman: maybe it's enabled in my case, but for me, you're shot looks as ugly as my fonts without aa
<12> shrug, I find them unreadable with AA
<12> plus with AA it's slower than vnc
<13> I couldn't tell when subpixel is enabled or not
<1> shining: it makes a HUGE difference on my LCD
<12> it's somewhat dependent on the type of monitor you have
<13> doesn't make a huge difference
<13> lol
<12> yeah nice :)
<4> ooh, the old "I like AA", "no, I hate AA" conversation
<1> PhilRod: yep, it never ends :D
<9> PhilRod: but focus difficulties are not an opinion :-)
<12> t|zz Renze shining http://bw.uwcs.co.uk/nvidia-fonts.mpg <- that's the difference in speed between AA and no AA
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