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<0> lunitik: i meant that other apt :}
<1> Sho_: oh... apt is great... apt-get is crap... aptitude is my friend though ;)
<1> apt is just a backend that provides things for apt-get and aptitude amoungst other things...
<2> which component of kde is needed to edit the menu's ? i used the gentoo kde split ebuilds install and now nothing happens when i click "edit k menu" in control center, or the menu-editor while right-clicking start menu button on taskbar
<0> lunitik: I've long since given up trying to understand the jungle of Debian tools :)
<0> lunitik: The worst offender is apt-cache search though, which is near-useless
<3> Sho_: wrong
<3> apt-cache is quite useful
<1> (synaptic, adept, kpackage's debian port, all use apt itself, not apt-get as commonly ***umed)
<3> especially for tracking dependancies
<0> pinotree: I meant 'apt-cache search' specifically
<0> celine: kde-base/kmenuedit
<2> Sho_ thnx
<3> Sho_: it's only a mode, and quite useful if you have no internet connection
<1> Sho_: why useless? short description and package name... if you don't know what you're looking for exactly, but know what you want to do with it, its very useful
<0> pinotree: All I know is that it output strings that often don't seem to have anything in common with my search pattern
<1> Sho_: aptitude is worse for that... have to use regex to get it to actually search for *both* terms
<4> Can/will someone here answer a question about line-breaks in Konqueror cut/paste ???
<1> Sho_: although, if you can grasp its regex, aptitude can be _very_ useful
<0> an example:
<0> [root@box / 80K]# apt-cache search corefonts
<0> openoffice.org - high-quality office productivity suite
<0> ... when I check for whether Debian has a corefonts package
<0> Super-useful
<1> Sho_: can say things like "I want this that does that, but isn't this, and isn't broken" for instance
<3> Sho_:
<3> $ apt-cache search corefonts
<3> openoffice.org - OpenOffice.org Office suite version 2.0
<3> msttcorefonts - Installer for Microsoft TrueType core fonts
<3> two results, one is good
<1> Although wine should also be returned as it recommends msttcorefonts
<0> pinotree: So it 50% ****s ;)
<3> Sho_: note what lunitik said...
<5> debtags are better when you don't know what you want
<0> In any case, I'm sure the Debian toolset is super for anyone who's been using it for a decade and knows it in and out, but what I've seen of it so far was just awkward
<5> ygetartson: ?
<1> Sho_: it should return more things... not less... should be more precise if you want less results
<6> there was some other prog to set kde settings, aint that so?
<0> pinotree: I can certainly imagine that it lists openoffice because openoffice has it as an optional dependency, but that's still a stupid default search mode - with a more prevalent search term, you're easily overwhelmed with non-useful search results
<5> ygetartson: I don't see why people don't like kcontrol
<5> I fail to see any serious issue in it
<1> Sho_: it returns OpenOffice because the extended description mentions it
<3> Sho_: you're wrong, it's not a dependancy
<1> Sho_: nothing to do with deps, because else more would be returned
<3> Sho_: it searches in name _and_ description
<0> pinotree: The exact relationship is not relevant to my argument
<6> i want to change the look of the menubar of qt apps.
<0> pinotree: The description it outputs for openoffice doesn't mention the corefonts
<3> here it does
<1> Sho_: you should have stated a better example if you want your argument to be valid ;)
<1> Sho_: apt-cache show openoffice.org | grep corefonts :/
<0> pinotree: The fact is that the output of the program does in no way explain why openoffice shows up for "corefonts". If that string were in the output for openoffice, okay, the user can see that. But it isn't. That's a grave usability bug, and it hasn't been fixed in years as far as I can tell.
<1> Sho_: like I said, its in the extended description
<6> but opera, a qt app, doesnt behave like expected.
<5> but opera adds its own theming system
<1> ygetartson: /j #opera or #qt or something... its off topic
<0> lunitik: apt-cache search doesn't output the extended description, does it?
<1> Sho_: nope... its meant to point you in the right direction... then use apt-cache for more precise descriptions
<1> s/apt-cache for/apt-cache show for/
<7> lunitik meant: Sho_: nope... its meant to point you in the right direction... then use apt-cache show for more precise descriptions
<6> oh, #qt sounds good. thank
<6> u
<0> lunitik: And that's bad design, IMO. It should indicate why it's a valid result for the search pattern (if only by outputting something that contains the search string), as pretty much any proper search engine does :)
<8> Sho_: do you know why hinting depends on antialiasing in kde control center?
<0> shining: No
<1> Sho_: aptitude search corefonts only returns one result... you should look into aptitude regex is you want precise things
<0> shining: Personally I use an exclude range to get around it
<8> Sho_: that's a bug then which should be reported?
<0> lunitik: Is aptitude installed by default?
<5> lunitik: I think so
<1> Sho_: http://people.debian.org/~dburrows/aptitude-doc/en/ch02s03.html
<1> Sho_: yes
<0> shining: I'm not aware of any technical reason for tying the hinting options to anti-aliasing, so it may well be a design flaw in the UI
<9> I need help
<8> Sho_: yep, right
<1> Sho_: its ncurses interface is used in the installer if you select "Manually Select Packages" to give you an interface to install things
<8> Sho_: and do you know how kde apply these settings?
<9> I have a printer problem can any body help
<0> shining: It writes them to ~/.fonts.conf
<8> it seems it both write a ~/.fonts.conf and export xft resource
<8> why does it do the second thing too?
<8> or is it xft which does that based on ~/.fonts.conf ?
<9> I hace a culaser printer and cant print
<8> output of xrdb -q | grep Xft
<0> lunitik: The output of 'aptitude search' does indeed look better, although I'd need to look up what the funky chars in the first column mean
<0> shining: It needs to do the second thing for the changes to apply to the running session
<0> shining: If it doesn't export the resources, you'd have to restart the session to see changes for newly launched X clients
<8> haa
<3> ~root
<7> from memory, root is not a Good Thing to use when using IRC. Please use a different account. You will probably not be able to speak until change your user account.
<3> _root_: ^^^
<1> Sho_: they just define the status of the package... which can be useful... they are all present in the search pattern page....
<8> so I guess if the ui was fixed, it should be fine
<8> hmm
<8> it would be nice to be able to not set anything too
<8> that isn't possible, right ?
<1> Sho_: actually... ignore the last part of that statement... ~P and ~p are priorities ... which isn't what they mean in the output :/
<8> to just use the settings in /etc/fonts/
<0> lunitik: That's as far as I got ... clunky Debian stuff *ducks* ;)
<8> and no ~/.fonts.conf and no xft resource
<8> instead of an antialiasing box, there should be a xft settings one
<8> if it's not checked, the global xft settings are used
<8> and if it's checked, it allows you to enable/disable antialiasing, hinting, and subpixel rendering
<8> and in this case, it writes a ~/.fonts.conf and export Xft resource
<8> does this make sense?
<1> Sho_: http://people.debian.org/~dburrows/aptitude-doc/en/ch02s02s02.html
<1> Sho_: some of that page talks about the ncurses interface though, but it tells of the value meanings
<10> A question about ark
<10> Does it handle p***worded rar files well?
<0> lunitik: Don't get me started on that ncurses interface btw ;)
<0> lunitik: thanks though
<1> Sho_: you're welcome...
<10> aptitude could be good as a command
<10> not as the ncurses gui
<1> XVampireX: it is a command ... I only use its CLI interface... TUI takes too long to navigate
<0> lunitik: I do have a production web server that runs Debian for about 4-5 years now and has proven to be absolutely reliable - but it also doesn't have any fancy package management needs, so I've never familiarized myself with the Debian toolset too much
<10> lunitik: I know
<1> Sho_: most people that don't dabble in Debian too much aren't aware of aptitude niceness, its ok :P
<11> I only have that
<11> no one has anything to say about my suggestion?
<0> shining_: Well, the best thing would be to file a wish list item on it, I suppose
<11> I wanted to be sure it maked sense first
<0> shining_: Have you made sure that the "Defaults" button doesn't purge .fonts.conf?
<1> s/our/hour
<1> Usually stops being interesting after around 20 mins of compilation :/
<0> lunitik: hehe :)
<11> Sho_: no, by default antialiasing is enabled, and hinting set to medium, so there is a .fonts.conf with that
<11> and the according xft resources
<11> it would be even worse if it wasn't like that. it would be a mismatch between what the control center show and the actual settings
<0> shining_: Well and those settings don't correspond to your /etc/fonts/fonts.conf ...?
<11> why should they?
<11> kde doesnt know the global settings, does it?
<0> shining_: That's what I'm asking you to try since you're the one who wants it to look them up
<0> shining_: So before filing a wish list item / bug report, make sure :)
<11> yep, indeed
<11> I configured them in /etc/fonts/local.conf
<12> hi
<12> i updated to kde 3.5.4
<12> and the fonts in firefox are choppy
<11> didn't 3.5.4 fixed something about what we are talking?
<1> El_Presidente: distro?
<12> archlinux
<11> arch :)
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