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<0> I've got a few bugs still in from recent changes
<0> I want to squit those before I go any further
<1> Ah, right
<1> See, this is what I *should* do with code. :-p
<0> At least, going by the css errors pouring into the js console I have.
<0> So I'd better fixem.
<1> Owch.
<0> Mostly it'll just be a bit of bounds checking.
<0> Calculating things based on nonexistent values, etc.
<2> how to output text to the javascript console ?
<2> so i don't have to use the alert all the time
<0> The major insertion for tonight was optional scrollbars, so you can set them to "auto" "always" or "never" and get reasonable results.
<0> defbyte, where are you from?
<1> defbyte: http://www.squarefree.com/bookmarklets/webdevel.html might help you.
<3> if a form object as the same name as another does it make a list when p***ed to the js function



<1> antihc3: Hm, good question. TIAS.
<0> who, clock has a fun bug now
<3> looks like yep it is a array
<0> Anyway, gotta sleep
<0> nini all
<1> Jan-: G'night!
<4> does anyone know how to submit patches to prototype? i can't see anything on the website
<5> ~prototype
<5> that was worth a try
<5> do we have a bot in here?
<4> Logi: oh, there is #prototype
<4> :)
<5> s/hist/his/
<5> dools: could you give me a link to the prototype project? I don't have enough context to construct a useful google query
<5> ah, got it
<1> Logi: Search "bloat."
<1> :-)
<5> heh
<5> well, one project's bloat is another's essential infrastructure
<6> Hey Woosta :)
<2> i'm new to webdevelopment
<2> so please don't blame me if i don't know basic stuff sometime
<2> Twey_: the link does not exist
<2> sry.. my fail... i can't copy/paste at the moment
<2> this i know allready >http://www.squarefree.com/jsenv/<;
<2> but i do't like to copy paste all the time
<2> it's nicer to change the real source and debug with console.log(msg) of firebug
<2> ^^ this i found a few minutes ago
<5> there is also an Execute JS extension for FireFox which allows you to enter aritrary javascript code to run
<5> arbitrary*
<2> what scripts are you guys using to make the source unreadable ?
<2> no encyption, only subsitute variable and functions names with random stuff
<5> obfuscation
<5> ...is the name of the procedure
<7> js
<7> simple man, just garble it up
<5> Ive been doing javascript for ~4 hours and havent obfuscated anything
<7> then degarble it
<5> I've*
<2> no need to degarble, i just remove all spaces and substitude all variables and functions with other names so the meaning of the code is not easy to get
<2> i think all other mehtodes are useless
<8> hi
<8> is there such a thing as while(...) { ... } continue { ...} in js?
<5> janhaa: yes
<5> janhaa: isn't that the sort of thing you'd look up in your javascript book/tutorial?
<8> Logi, how does it look like in js?
<8> Logi, i have neither :P
<5> janhaa: exactly like in Java
<5> janhaa: get one
<8> i don't know java.
<5> janhaa: you'll just waste your own time and everyone elses
<5> janhaa: well, I could recommend a good java tutorial where you can read all about it :)
<8> it's a quite easy question to answer really :P
<5> can anyone recommend a JS tutorial?
<5> janhaa: yeah.. the answer is essentially "rtfm"
<8> Logi, it feels like i'm in ##linux :P



<5> janhaa: I wish I could recommend you a tutorial, but I can't. I've only been on javascript myself for about 4 hours
<5> janhaa: but... I got a book and am not wasting everyone's time
<8> http://developer.mozilla.org/en/docs/Core_JavaScript_1.5_Guide:Loop_Statements # i couldn't find anything about it here...
<5> janhaa: you mean apart from the "continue Statement" link at the bottom of that page?
<8> Logi, that's not what i asked for.
<8> while(...) { ... } continue { ...} is not the same as while(...) { ... continue ... }
<5> ok, fair enough
<5> then no, it doesn't have that akaics
<5> afaics
<5> what would you want that form of continue to do?
<8> Logi, in perl it will do what inside the continue block, regardless if you use break or continue inside the while block.
<8> that means if you want something to be done at the end of each iteration, you can put that inside the contiue block.
<5> ah
<5> that doesn't seem to be available
<8> Logi, so how come i answered your question at once, while you didn't want to answer mine?
<5> the Rhino book doesn't mention it and it's not C/C++/Java-like syntax
<5> janhaa: because you had an rtfm question?
<5> I'd have gladly p***ed you my book, but it doesn't travel well over my wireless link
<7> the fact that you said "an" before rtfm indicates that you actually refer to acronyms by their letters... which leads me to believe you probably use terms like "s-t-f-u" in real life
<7> faggot
<8> Logi, i don't want to argue. i just want you to think about it twice :(
<5> janhaa: don't worry. I won't
<7> dont worry janhaa
<8> it => my latter question.
<7> i got this clown
<5> the-drew: what? does myt faggotry interest you in some way you don't quite understand?
<8> the-drew, i'm guessing Logi haven't had much help growing up :(
<7> i think his uncle helped him become familiar with his naughty parts
<8> poor Logi :/
<5> just possibly I've had too many lazy n00bs around for the last 10 years
<4> Logi: i wouldn't bother listening to the-drew. he's a foul mouthed, demented and ***ually depraved pervert.
<8> Logi, so you'll rather waste energy on answering "rtfm" ? why not just shut up instead?
<5> janhaa: actually, what I was trying to do was find a good fm to refer you to
<8> but Logi, the fm wouldn't answer my question, since it doesn't exist :(
<8> the answer doesn't exist :P
<5> I suppose that means you don't take "no" for an answer :^)
<5> but for future reference, can anyone recommend a good on-line tutorial or reference for this sort of thing?
<8> i do from people (most of the time), but not from a book.
<8> Logi, i like mozilla's documentation...
<5> it does look reasonable
<8> at least the dom-ref is excellent
<5> but you don't seem to trust it, so I wondered
<8> i do trust the information that _is_ there. but i'm asking about everything else, i can't find the answer to.
<5> anyway, I was planning to get through the Core section today and you're keeping me from it :)
<5> 6 pages to go and I'm supposed to be at the pool in another 7 hours
<8> actually, you're keeping yourself here :P
<5> ssshhhh.....
<8> anyway, i will stop keeping myself here. going to get some sleep :/
<5> 'night
<8> take care and please answer simple questions like i just asked next time :(
<5> hanging around on irc and answering simple questions is... unrewarding
<8> i don't think so... but i've only done it for five years now.
<5> well, the next 5 are more annoying
<8> the thing is that i help people in some channels, while others help me in other channels...
<8> it's called "sharing information" :)
<5> and the most valuable information is where to find information
<5> for which I thank you, incidentally :)
<8> not allways. depends on the question and the time available.
<8> hmfr... ****s commiting files to svn, and forgetting one :P
<5> yes
<5> even more so if you do it on Friday and have a group of angry developers waiting for you when you show up late on Monday
<8> ;)
<5> not... that this has ever... happened to me...
<8> i'm the only one developing...unfortunately :/
<5> we're 3 on a 15 man project
<8> hehe. i'm one one a ... uhm ... not sure project :P
<5> anybody know about 12 java and/or javascript developers who want a job and don't mind rain, wind and darkness?
<8> depends. is it less rewarding than answering "many lazy n00bs" ?
<5> hardly
<8> hm... can i see?
<5> http://www.zignal.tv/
<5> marketing fluff
<8> ok...


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