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<0> drfalkor: I am serious about not proposing change. I proposed a simple and elegant addition that would improve texture drawing. it was rejected with the words "we will not implement it, but we would accept a patch that implements this". so I wrote a patch and encountered problems. I sent in the patch and was told "before you write anything, please discuss on the mailinglist if that feature is really wanted"
<1> 2.6 will have many operations ported to gegl
<0> drfalkor: my feature request ended up with "rejected" status on bugs.gnome.org
<2> rawk.
<1> and 3.0 will use only gegl for every rendering related stuff.
<0> drfalkor: this will only lead you into "I don't give a damn about it state"
<0> drfalkor: just do it
<3> waiting, that ****s, did you post to the mailing list?
<4> waiting: I have been there before.. when I had a logo to complete, but never got accepted
<0> PhilH: I have other things to do than to read through a bulk of hundreds of mails to "discuss" a feature I need in _like_ _the_ _way_ _I_ _proposed_ _it_ anyway
<2> waiting : what was the project? I'm quite interested in texturing-related stuff =3
<1> waiting: are you the "seemless painting" guy?
<0> MukiEX: a "warp" checkbox in the pencil tool options that will warp the affected pixel to the opposite edge of the image if the pencil leaves the image area
<4> waiting: but only one thing,.. there is a lot of people that's not discuss in mailinglist, so we dont know if people want it or not even the people on the mailinglist want it
<0> dindinx: yes
<1> waiting: then your proposal hasn't been rejected at all.
<2> *wrap, you mean? That's AWESOME.
<0> oh, ok .)
<3> ah, cool, what's its status, dindinx?
<0> MukiEX: nothing better for seamless painting :D
<2> But wrap would probably be best implemented as a mode =3
<0> hmmmmmm
<2> Especially for stuff like blurring, where it'd even help non-texture work.
<3> not sure about a mode
<1> waiting: you just began to code without even thinking about it. That is why Sven asked you to discuss the whole thing, and then the implementation details on the mailing list.
<2> I hate tiling/offsetting pictures for texture purposes >_<
<0> now I had the algorithm in the core already done but I could not set up the tool option
<1> waiting: but it won't happen before 2.4 (since we are in feature freeze for 2.4)
<5> imo seamless painting does need the 3x3 display
<2> dindinx : as a non-obtrusive checkbox, I'm not sure that option would have been all that problematic ^_^;
<0> dindinx: oh.
<0> ouch .)
<5> otherwise it is awkward if you do want to do strokes across the image border
<2> hence, checkbox. =3
<2> Altho I well understand, you can't just through checkboxes everywhere...
<2> *throw
<2> But texture-oriented enhancements *would* be nice.
<1> schumaml: you have a different opinion from waiting, that is why this should be discussed.
<0> I realized that there has been a different proposal that had visual feedback
<0> personally, I feel as if both was needed
<0> and separately
<5> why didn't you start to discuss this on the mailing list then?
<5> od did you?
<1> a checkbox in the paint tool could be a good idea, yes. And we can give the user some feedback with the 3x3 approach
<0> schumaml: no I didn't, I ran out of time
<5> or
<0> schumaml: I am in my graduation thesis - lots of stress
<0> schumaml: .)
<5> then "I don't have time right now, graduation thesis" would be a useful contribution, because it tells others that you didn't just lose interest
<0> schumaml: why? at that time I lost all interest ;D
<0> okok, I don't want to stress this. fact is, I have mixed experiences with mailing lists
<0> but even that is a different issue
<0> I simply return to the issue now .)
<6> dindinx: iirc, some patent for cmyk expired, so there was some talk that it can be used gy gimp to provide cmyk color space required for paper output?
<1> gour: as I said please, be more specific.
<6> dindinx: what else? will cmyk color space be added to gimp?
<1> gour: gimp let you choose a color in cmyk space for ages, a plugin let you separate an image into 4 layers, one for each cmyk channel.
<1> gimp support color profiles (icc)
<6> dindinx: i'm thinking about working in color space
<1> the question 'will cmyk color space be added to gimp?' has no meaning.
<1> gour: can you define 'working in color space'?
<1> if it is "use a display filter which take the color profile into account", it is already there.
<1> if it is "use internally a representation that allow convertion between many colorspaces without losing too much information, this is what gegl is about to provide
<6> dindinx: in Preferences --> Color M. there is RGB (default) color profile and CMYK profile to convert between RGB & CMYK. I am asking about having default CMYK profile to work with
<6> ok, so gegl will take care about it. thanks
<1> the cmyk profile comes with your printing device.
<7> ok. i have another question:
<7> does a png file pallette need to have 'transparent' in the pallette if the image is indexed?
<7> i want to put some transparency in a png image i have. but it is indexed with 255 colours. can i just add aplha layer and erase to have transparency? or do i need to remove a colour in the palette and make is transparent?
<5> no, there's a special png chunk for this
<5> tRNS, afaik
<7> i don't understand :(
<5> you just erase to transparency
<7> oh cool. then i don't need to worry about the palette?
<7> thanks.
<7> back in a while
<4> nevermind my bother,.. you'll need to break the gtk in the gimp.. and Im sure you arent willing to do that
<4> but I would be willing to break that :)
<5> you should propose more compact widgets to gtk+ then
<4> schumaml: that's a good idea :)
<4> I have an idea to a new scroll button =D
<4> weee
<1> drfalkor: do you know what 'GTK' stands for?
<4> not sure, but I know that gnome is based on it
<4> Gimp Tool Kit ?
<1> gtk is Gimp ToolKit
<4> ah, that's what I tought :)
<1> so gimp cannot drop gtk...
<1> and I guess that you are aware that the scrollbars look and feel can be changed by a theme?
<4> I realised that now ( damn Im stupid ), but I can atleast make a mockup for a new scrollbutton for gtk :)
<4> dindinx: I know, but themes arent gonna do it for me
<1> well, if something can be done within a theme, it won't be done in gtk itself.
<4> dindinx: I know,.. but there must be a way to make things better within gtk ?
<1> drfalkor: "better" is undefined"
<1> You still haven't proposed anything
<4> dindinx: I wont, but I'm gonna figure out a way howto make e gtk mockup first :) then we'll see
<2> GNU Tool Kit? =3
<2> Oh, it IS gimp tool kit. Wow.
<2> Yeah, I remember reading a long time ago that half of gimp's original development was creating a windowing toolkit.
<0> MukiEX: so what happens today is ... unoriginal development? =:)
<2> Well, I'm sure 2.4 on will have some major changes; is there a release date set for 2.4?
<1> no
<1> it will be released when ready.
<2> Any estimates? ^_^;
<2> Mind you, 2.3.13 kicks plenty amounts of butt, I'm really just curious.
<1> http://developer.gimp.org/NEWS <= you can read this to have a list of new features.
<2> rock, thanks sir. =3
<2> 2.3.14?! When did that happen?!
<1> it didn't, of course!
<2> CVS?
<1> this is a file from the svn
<2> Oooh, roadmap
<1> no
<2> So those features are what you'll get from a nightly update?
<1> the items listed there (under 2.3.14) were added into svn since 2.3.13
<1> from today, yes.
<2> How do I get the latest source? ^_^
<2> e.g. what's the svn command for annonymous check-out?
<5> http://developer.gnome.org/tools/svn.html
<8> Title: Tools - SVN (at developer.gnome.org)
<1> schumaml: this should be updated on dgo
<2> do I just replace [module] with gimp?
<2> Well, that seemed to work...
<9> hi all!
<9> is there a way to save the "workspace" ?
<2> And now, to compile latest blender and gimp... at the same time...
<2> roxlu : I thought that happened automatically when you exit o_o
<9> hmm not here (2 screens
<2> Does autogen compile as well?
<2> No clue then, sorry ^_^
<1> no, it does launch configure, though
<2> niffs, so I just do make when it's done?
<1> and sudo make install
<2> Well, I'll run sudo checkinstall , I'm on Kubuntu ^_^
<2> Or I'll just throw it into /opt/ and soft-link it =3
<1> but be sure to read INSTALL and HACKING before
<10> Hi, is there any webpage or so that explains the tools that gimp have?
<5> http://docs.gimp.org
<8> Title: GIMP Documentation (at docs.gimp.org)
<10> Uhm, I tried to read about it, but I dont get the difference of Canvas, Resize and Crop, Resize the whole image is still there but out of the area, but then whats difference on Crop and Canvas?
<2> I thought Canvas was a whole menu.
<2> Oh wait, wrong.
<2> There's a canvas tool?
<1> canvas is the whole image. crop is only a tool.
<2> Not to be confused with layer crop ^_^
<10> dindinx: But there is a canvas tool, and it works like crop as far as I can tell.
<2> Which is a cool feature in and of itself, which I didn't find out about until recently.
<1> granden: which tool do you call 'canvas tool' ?
<10> Whoops, it said, crop I read canvas
<10> my misstake
<2> btw, does cropping the canvas free up the memory of the area around the crop border?
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