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<0> gahh, i am having such a hard time with installing gentoo, ive tried the live cd but the installer failed, so i tried the manual install but i cant get gnome to install correctly
<1> Jeram: The fanfiction.net one? That's been on my revamp TODO list for ages.
<2> I'm the one who emailed you a while back about the little mistake you made.
<3> all i want to do is run a small script every 10 minutes
<2> I wanted to use it, so I made some changes to fix it up and add some things.
<4> detox332, what are you having trouble with exactly?
<2> I can send you the updated one so you can see what I did.
<5> can some one tell me why there is an x86 arch for minimal 2006.0 and not for universal. i got a celeron processor in this box. if i want universal. what arch do i use please? THANKS!!!!
<1> Jeram: Sure. Maybe it'll be enough to get me working on it tonight.
<0> well the installer fails to build the kernel and with gnome it keeps saying that the files im installing are older than the current ones
<0> mainly with perl
<3> thisbullet: x86
<2> What's the best way to send it to you?
<1> Jeram: I've been meaning to rewrite it as an object-oriented script for a while. The idea being that it would then be easy to implement a "grab all fics in this person's favorite authors and favorite stories lists" feature.
<6> portage's world file IS /var/lib/portage/world, right? I've added package names to it and depclean still wants to remove them.
<5> AfroTurfits not listed under universal :(
<4> detox332, so having installed manually you've got the kernel working, and rebooted into your Gentoo system?
<0> yeah
<4> cool :)
<0> but then i cant get gnome working
<5> oh and whats a 2006.0 package cd???
<4> Have you run emerge --sync?
<5> oh i think i found the right one i need
<2> deitarion: I like that idea - would you keep it in perl? I sort of had to learn basic perl to figure out how to make changes to your original script.
<5> i see just gentoo 2006.0 live cd and it only has x86 for an arch. that looks like the one i need
<5> nevermind
<0> after the manual install i sync and then upgrade portage and then try to install gnome
<3> where are some examples of crontabs?
<1> Jeram: o_O? The only Perl scripts I can ever remember writing were AccessWeb and an early version of my Anime Addventure proxy. Are you sure you don't mean Python?
<2> deitarion: Apparently I'm an idiot - of course you're right.
<6> honestly. depclean says it respects the world file, but i put app-emulation/vmware-workstation in there, as well as others, and it /STILL/ wants to remove them. Arrrggghhhh
<1> Jeram: No problem. Python is still my favorite language.
<2> deitarion: Do you want me to email it to you?
<1> Jeram: Actually, I would have written the updated version by now, but I've been busy getting my projects moved into subversion repositories, writing unit tests, and debugging unball. (my generic shell script wrapper for every archiving tool in existence)
<1> Jeram: Please do.
<7> AlaricX: yep depclean is known to be unreliable in that exact fashion
<8> can you do emerge --newuse --world then do deplcean?
<2> deitarion - I understand completely - I just wanted to know if you were interested.
<1> Triffid_Hunter: Is that the only unreliability it has? If so, I can just wrap my copy in a Python script which checks the world file directly.
<5> Gentoo 2006.0 LiveCD > x86 (713 MB) will this get me the right cd for a celeron box? I wanna have the ability to do the graphical installer or just the normal traditional way. this allows the normal way right?
<5> is this all i need?
<6> Triffid_Hunter, Or the world file lacked a final newline and my echo-forloop created an invalid atom with the last package on the list. Works now. Thanks though ;D
<2> deitarion: I can't seem to find your email on the site, though.
<1> Jeram: I never abandon projects until they're complete. I just shelve them. In the case of FF.net grabber, I was forced to shelve it against my preferences by a lack of time.
<1> Jeram: If you have any old messages from me, the address is still the same.
<9> is there a gnome base package (without lots of utils)? gnome-core emerges gnome 1.4.x :)
<10> Just a thought, but isn't it wrong to say O3 or O2 is 'better'? They do very different things. If you have a traditional procedural C program that has lots of small loops, and little interuption of control, then -O3 can make M***ive improvemsnts over O2, like twice as fast over a bubble sort of 100k if integers...
<1> Jeram: Oh, have you ever tried unball? I find it to be very useful. (not only does it hide the differences in command names between extraction tools, it ensures that an archive will create a new folder rather than potentially spilling it's contents into the current directory)
<2> deitarion: unball, eh?
<11> elw00d: welcome to 12 minutes ago?
<1> Jeram: Currently, my most active project. I'm planning to release 0.2.10 soon.
<2> I have not tried that - I like your description.
<1> Then I'll start on 0.3.0, with header-based format detection as default, rather than the fallback. (I noticed that it's necessary to properly extract things like "i_am_really_a_zip.rar" when using the command-line unrar and unzip tools as backends)
<7> deitarion: where does one get unball from?
<1> My website. Let me just get the exact URL.
<10> ....But if you have an event driven app (almost anyhting you interact with - GUI) then you want to keep the binaries small so you don't get long latencies , like Shuddertrix just pointed out in my reply....
<1> www.ssokolow.com/MyPrograms/Gentoo
<7> awesome, will check it out :)
<2> deitarion: Also, you may wish to consider dual Unicode/ANSI support. I've noticed that some files don't download with the correct encoding.
<11> elw00d: yeah, i guess that's true
<1> Jeram: I'm not quite sure I understand. Do you mean filenames or file content?
<12> I am currently operating my Samsung ML-2250 laser printer with the pxlmono generic PCL6 driver under cups. Should I switch to the proprietory Samsung drivers which support their printer lang spl2? Can I expect any gains in performance or quality? Else, I would just stay with pxlmono....
<1> Jeram: ...and what exactly would I have to do to support it? An attempt at automated encoding detection?
<2> deitarion: Actually, both - file content encoding is sometimes off, and without Unicode support, some files won't download. There was another problem I had to fix (sort of) with invalid filenames (like with ' or ? in the title).
<13> Hey all, does anyone know how to have parted list the available, unused space on a disk? when I tell it to print the partition table, it doesn't list unused space..
<7> VolVE: maybe there isn't any?
<2> deitarion: I think Python will automatically do it with the web modules IIRC.
<13> Triffid_Hunter: so how am I supposed to figure out how much space I still have available on a disk? :-/
<7> VolVE: mount it and df -h
<7> VolVE: the partition takes as much space as it takes, regardless of how much the underlying filesystem has allocated to files and metadata
<14> Anyone here using AIGLX?
<1> Jeram: Include details when you email me. As for the "invalid characters in title problem", I believe that it's only a problem on FAT32, NTFS, and the default Mac filesystem. (ext3 and other Linux FSes only disallow / and ff.net also disallows it in titles)
<15> anybody has a clue when gnome-2.14 will be unmasked?
<1> As such, I can just do a regex replacement if os.name == 'nt'
<13> Triffid_Hunter: ...I'm not talking about filesystems, I'm talking about the disk. The partitions on the disk do not equal 100% of the disk capacity, I know this as I built the system. I want to know how much space is still unused on the DISK, not the partition/file-system
<2> deitarion: As far as I know, ff.net does allow some invalid characters - otherwise, I wouldn't had the had the problem in the first place - to fix it, I just did exactly that - replaced all invalid characters with valid alternatives.
<7> VolVE: cfdisk tells me if there's any unallocated space.. never used parted myself
<16> My /usr/portage/distfiles is 4.15 GB, can I safely delete part or all of it without causing any portage problems?
<1> Jeram: I ***ume your test system runs Windows? My tests seem to indicate that the only invalid characters on Linux and MacOS filesystems are / and :: (Mac filesystems use :: as their equivalent to /)
<17> sdz: you can safely erase all the files in /usr/portage/distfiles/
<18> sdz: yup, but use only rm, not rm -rf
<7> sdz: yep, and /var/tmp/portage/ too
<18> there's a dir in there that should stay
<13> Triffid_Hunter: Sadly, cfdisk can't handle my partition numbering being out of order (common, non-critical issue according to Google) :(
<18> VolVE: have you tried fdisk?
<17> Abnix: why don't you want to erase the cvs directory?
<13> Abnix: I can't figure out how to have fdisk print it out either! :(
<19> sdz: try distclean it'll save you downloading stuff a 2nd time http://www.stacken.kth.se/~foo/gentoo/
<18> YeTr2: iirc bad things always happened to me when ever I did that. Mean looking guys with ill-fitting suits and small clubs would show up at my door...
<17> VolVE: out of order?
<13> YeTr2: "FATAL ERROR: Bad logical partition 6: enlarged logical partitions overlap"
<18> VolVE: fdisk /dev/whatever then hit p it *should* show your partition table
<13> YeTr2: accordingt to Google, it's because my partition numbering doesn't reflect the physical placement of the partitions or something
<20> aaaah! joinspam!
<1> Triffid_Hunter: Oh, just so you know, unball 0.2.10 will include a fix for a name-related bug in the "prevent archives from making a mess" code. (if you have a rar named "foo.rar" containing "bar.txt" and nothing else, unball 0.2.9 ignores the file's name and uses "foo" (foo.rar without the extension) as the final target)
<1> unball 0.2.9 and below ***ume that any archive containing only one file or folder is named after it's contents.
<21> anyone know of Autoconf cache files?
<17> Abnix: instead of actually entering fdisk, where an accidental key stroke could screw something up, why not use `fdisk -l /dev/hd@` ?
<13> Abnix: fdisk and p does print it, but the available space isn't listed anywhere :(
<21> as in, how can i make autoconf cache its results so it doesnt have to keep checking from package, to package?
<20> I have a simple problem...when using emerge, occasionally I run into a non-responsive server, and it never seems to timeout and go to the next one....can I force a timeout or set the timeout manually?
<2> deitarion: I just checked - you're right that the invalid characters are different on Windows.
<1> Jeram: It's not Windows, its the underlying filesystem. You'll get the same problem trying it with the Linux driver for FAT32.
<7> Meltro: man make.conf mentions a FETCHCOMMAND and a RESUMECOMMAND that may be of use to you
<1> I've fixed it in my private SVN repo, but I can't release 0.2.10 until I finish writing the rest of the unit tests for the fixes I added.
<20> thanks Hunter
<1> Meltro: Grab the FETCHCOMMAND and RESUMECOMMAND from /etc/make.defaults (or was it /etc/make.global?) and look up -t and -T in the wget manpage.
<2> deitarion: I was recently working on an application of the NTFS driver for linux - complicated stuff.
<22> I am trying to download the stage 3 tarball, currently using the install cd. I have tried several different mirrors but they always seem to stop about 10% through. I thought I solved the problem by changing the PWD to be on the newly mounted partitions, as I thought lack of space might have been the problem, but I still have the problem.
<7> mabus: maybe your isp hates you? wget's -c option resumes
<1> Jeram: It's too bad that NTFS is such a mess.... Oh, who am I kidding. It's too bad that Windows uses NTFS instead of ext3.
<2> Ha - it's quite true - unfortunately the code needs to work on NTFS... otherwise it would indeed be simpler.
<1> ext3 in full data journalling mode is both quicker and safer than NTFS.
<22> Triffid_Hunter, yeah, been resuming.. but it still pauses
<20> deit: Now now, I've corrupted plenty of ext3 FSes in my time
<20> I have yet to find a truly intelligent filesystem, and I suspect failure to work with hardware developers is part of the problem.
<1> Meltro: Did you use them in full data journalling mode? The default is metadata journalling and I have yet to have a corrupted ext3 FS in full data journalling mode.
<23> this is weird, how come my firefox only run as root but not normal user?
<23> i added myself to wheel group
<1> mcman: Try running it with one of the debug-related flags in a console.
<23> what flags deitarion ?
<1> mcman: One sec while I check.
<23> cool
<24> hello
<1> mcman: Hmm. Maybe they made the output the default choice. it's been ages since I checked. Try just running it inside a console normally.
<23> deitarion, it doesnt give me any error
<24> can gentoo upgrade from one release to another without neeeding to download iso and re install ?.
<1> Gustav_Trede: The only difference between releases is the hardware the installer supports and the packages on the disc.
<7> Gustav_Trede: gentoo's "releases" are simply snapshots of the constantly moving portage tree, so yes
<25> Gustav_Trede: emerge --update --newuse --deep world will do that for you
<24> ah thats nice.
<1> It's the main reason I switched to Gentoo originally.
<24> im running winxp X64 now. but will install gentoo on a second hd.
<26> how do i add a path to my PATH variable
<1> (Now I'm also tweakaholic and Gentoo helps with my dev efforts)
<27> is anyone still using kernel 2.6.11 ?
<1> bpont: For what purpose?
<26> deitarion: to execute a game
<20> hmmmm.....
<26> deitarion: right now i need to 'exec /full/path/to/game
<7> bpont: should be a script in /usr/games/bin/ to start it, which you should be able to access if you're in the games group
<1> bpont: How are you calling the game? I ask because there isn't one PATH. Each program gets a copy of it's parent's PATH.
<28> Skail: i think i might be, why
<28> on something
<10> I think I have a bunch of boxen running 2.6.11 untill june 15th....or they crash....
<1> For example, if you want to set the path for anything being called from the BASH shell (or anything being called by anthing being called by bash), then you edit ~/.bashrc
<20> ok, I've managed to institute a 10 second timeout (thanks!), but I still can't emerge grub. It's trying to download path 0.97.1.1. Do I need to update something? I keep getting 404's from almost every server...
<26> deitarion: i'm calling the game: 'exec /usr/games/bin/armagetronad... i just want to type 'aramgetron' and have bash find it
<26> Triffid_Hunter: how do i find this script? i'm not sure if i'm in the games group...how do i check
<29> bpont: areyou in the games group?
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