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<hylje> gnome-light and emerge the rest manually ?
<JustinS> Cheers all .. thanks bonsaikitten and slarti ..
<TFKyle> top222: copy the overlay to the ebuild and kill evo + (everything else that needs evo) from its DEPEND/RDEPEND? (I wouldn't reccomend that but thats all I can think of atm)
<top222> And I'd like to know if I could just add some 5 metapackages, gnome-light included or not, and get the resilt
<top222> The result I am looking for, I meant to say
<top222> I think I could try programming a tool in Python... it would take awfully long, but...
<top222> 1. Go through the whole world file
<top222> 2. List all installed packages and dependencies, like emerge -pve does
<bonsaikitten> top222, emerge -pt might be helpful
<hylje> http://bash.org/?50000 implement plx?
<mjk64> blackace: "Bug" filed, as promised: http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=134752
<top222> bonsaikitten: It really is not, trust me
<TFKyle> hylje: -violent wouldn't work, how about --violent?
<hylje> TFKyle: yes but i cant edit the quote
<top222> I don't want to know what packages does gnome-system-monitor depend on, for example
<top222> Instead, I'd like to know the names of the "top" or "meta" packages which would pull in everything that I want but nothing more
<JohnRobert> Hmm_|, I've re-emerged something, but it's not asking me if I want to update the config files for it
<top222> gnome-light pulls in too little, gnome pulls in too much
<bonsaikitten> top222, why don't you just look at the deps of the gnome ebuild?
<top222> bonsaikitten: I remember once having done that, but could not tell much from it
<bonsaikitten> top222, hehe ... gnome has weird cross-dependencies anyway, so just take all of gnome or leave it ;-)
<slarti> i dislike gnome deps in general, they're full of oddities
<top222> I remembered it correctly... gnome-base/gnome has almost every package listed, very redundantly
<bonsaikitten> slarti, I hate evolution depending on gnome as windowmanager
<TFKyle> bonsaikitten: gnome isn't a windowmanager :)
<bonsaikitten> TFKyle, it's a big error? ;-)
<TFKyle> kojiro: did you remove the load "glx" line from your xorg.conf? ;)
<kojiro> TFKyle: I wish it were that simple
<kojiro> TFKyle: nope, the line is still there
<kojiro> aha
<kojiro> stupid nvidia
<kojiro> I found it -- nvidia is not compatible with the composite extension?
<top222> Should I switch to gamin instead of fam?
<top222> Also, does KDE support gamin?
<bonsaikitten> top222, yes and yess
<top222> Ok
<kojiro> and yesss
<top222> Anyway, does anything depend on gamin?
<bonsaikitten> kojiro, my "s" key is getting wobbly ... after 20 years the keyboard is slowly developing minor bugs
<top222> There is no such USE variable, but there is USE variable for fam
<hylje> bonsaikitten: bad hardware
<bonsaikitten> they don't build them like they used to ...
<kojiro> top222: emerge -pv gamin and find out :-)
<bonsaikitten> hylje, nah, after 20 years two wobbly keys is ok :-)
<top222> Wouldn't like to fil my world file that much
<kojiro> bonsaikitten: I have a couple of those ancient 5 pound IBM clicky-keyboards lying around
<bonsaikitten> top222, gamin is a drop-in replacement
<kojiro> but you'd need a HUGE-to-tiny PS/2 adapter :-)
<bonsaikitten> kojiro, it's closer to 8 pounds :-)
<bonsaikitten> and even worse is AT to PS/2 to USB adapter chain :-)
<top222> How is gamin better then?
<kojiro> bonsaikitten: ADB-to-ps/2, how about?
<bonsaikitten> it can use inotify
<top222> Ok
<bonsaikitten> kojiro, apple? don't have any lifestyle computers :-)
<kojiro> haha
<top222> Does anyone use Genesi/Pegasos here?
<kojiro> was ist das?
<kojiro> (what is that?) ;-)
<bonsaikitten> top222, I could have gotten one, but they are not fast enough for my desktop replacement needs
<Caster> bonsaikitten: ok the ultimate command for playing sounds for me is "play" from sox :)
<bonsaikitten> Caster, sounds good :-)
<top222> If I had one, what functionality would I miss, compared to this Pentium III?
<bonsaikitten> top222, you couldn't run Windows on it
<genone> top222: any x86 binary stuff
<top222> kojiro: http://www.pegasosppc.com/
<genone> top222: and any other stuff that hasn't been ported to ppc yet
<top222> genone: Would that be much?
<bonsaikitten> top222, no, in general you don't see a difference - just if you want to play games etc. you'll have problems
<genone> top222: depends on your needs. It would mean no flash/wine/vmware/acrobat/...
<top222> No wine would hurt me the most
<top222> I think there is soon coming an open source flash
<top222> One can browse PDF files with gpdf
<top222> And I've never uset vmware
<Phonica> there is already an open source flash
<TFKyle> er, wine should run on ppc, as long as the code isn't tied to x86
<Phonica> no it shouldnt
<Phonica> the windows programs ur trying to run are x86...
<TFKyle> yes it should
<Phonica> HOWEVER
<Phonica> using qemu-user u can do it
<TFKyle> he said wine, not "windows applications which you can't compile yourself"
<Phonica> :S
<kojiro> TFKyle: are you feeling pedantic today?
<top222> What is the difference between /etc/init.d/fam and /etc/init.d/famd ?
<TFKyle> nah, just bored and feel like angering some people :)
<genone> TFKyle: well, the wine ebuild only has x86 and amd64 keyworded (and otherwise it's -*), os I really doubt that it would work on any other arch
<TFKyle> ok, in that case it probably won't work on ppc
<Phonica> wine can work on a ppc if u use qemu-user to emulate the x86 and translate library calls
<top222> There is certain beauty in RISC architectures, and if one would take on the world, I would not miss x86
<kojiro> I think this topic has moved sufficiently far from Gentoo Linux that I can now say
<kojiro> Topic, please!
<Phonica> lol
<bonsaikitten> uhm ... top222: since the Pentium Pro it's all been RISC
<genone> Phonica: except that it doesn't really work on ppc in that situation
<kojiro> lol
<top222> bonsaikitten: Only internally. That is a waste of silicon, and that is what I'm opposing.
<Phonica> not rlli but its been done
<Phonica> its how Darwine worked
<top222> bonsaikitten: Translating CISC to RISC and then running RISC... why not use pure RISC instead?
<bonsaikitten> top222, it's easier to expand (microcode) from cisc to risc and then run it on a more efficient cisc core
<TFKyle> https://launchpad.net/+builds/+build/174550 <-- looks like the ppc build fails for ubuntu guys (sorry for going even more OT)
<kojiro> castra: sdparm might be a better choice for sata
<TFKyle> minidump.c:172:2: error: #error unsupported CPU <-- heh
<castra> kojiro, sdparm with what flags ??
<castra> kojiro, hdparm reports so bad results
<kojiro> castra: hdparm may be lying :-)
<Phonica> i always thought hdparm was up to no good...
<kojiro> castra: hdparm is not for SATA drives -- and SATA has things like DMA turned on all the time, IIRC -- so it's not reasonable to use hdparm to test it
<castra> kojiro, yes I think so to but reading gentoo forums I've found out that my results are like 40% lower then others with hdparm
<castra> kojiro, I agree..can you tell me what flags to use to test speed on SATA drive
<top222> I was gathering information for defecting Gentoo and fleeing to Ubuntu, but the newest wine I could find was dated July 2005, so I put my plans on hold
<kojiro> castra: not at the moment.
<top222> With Gentoo I'm running wine 0.9.12
<bonsaikitten> top222, ubuntu is a lot of hype ... hasn't been nice to me :-\
<top222> bonsaikitten: Any apt-based distro, doesn't matter which. I think Ubuntu has newer packages than Debian, but seems like no apt distro does the rolling updates of Gentoo.
<top222> That's the thing I like most in Gentoo
<bonsaikitten> ... and baselayout - that's a killer feature for me
<castra> top222, ubuntu uses unstable and testing packages...
<top222> bonsaikitten: How is that?
<kojiro> bonsaikitten: yeah, it kills me too
<bonsaikitten> hehe
<arranon> so how well does software emulation work in gentoo. like to play world of warcraft or CS on steam?
<kojiro> ... steam?
<bonsaikitten> /etc/rc.0/K24myscript <-- madness!
<stark> he guys, what documentation tells me on how to install the gentoo minimal install correctly?
<bonsaikitten> arranon, steam will tell you that you're a cheater if it even works
<Phonica> stark, the gentoo install handbook
<clockwize> what do i need to merge for java application? i?ve got sun-jre-bin but i still get command not found?
<kojiro> mzbot: gentoo stark handbook
<mzbot> stark: http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/index.xml
<genone> stark: for the last time: read the handbook
<castra> stark...just follow manual and you are gona end up with basic gentoo :P
<arranon> ok, just examples. anyhow. how well is emulation running for windows based games?
<Phonica> if u have cedega, its excellent
<Phonica> if u have wine, its so-so
<kojiro> arranon: for windows based software on a x86 platform, it's best to avoid emulation -- wine works ftmp
<top222> One Oobontoo question more... I know that if I install Gentoo 2005.0 and update it, the end result is the same as if I had installed Gentoo 2006.0 and updated it
<TFKyle> Phonica: lately I've found it the other way around, since cedega doesn't have the HAL stuff that was added in the recent versions of wine :)
<arranon> what about on a x86_64?
<Phonica> top222, yes it is
<Phonica> brb
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