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<0> I've googled the messages I see and looked at every page that even looks remotely applicable. I've read most of the Alsa web site. I've crawled through several threads on the gentoo forum. I think I'm more confused now than before I started. :(
<1> AnMaster: what about it ? I don';t have any, I have an Athlon64 with 90nm Venice core, it runs at 34 C with a very slow fan... goodness
<2> bluebird__, it'd be fun and interesting, but it might just waste a lot of time atm. maybe i can play with distcc after i accumulate a few more cheap notebooks (i have been given 3... that's the benefit of living in, but outside, consumer culture)
<3> gnome
<3> i haven't been in gnome or kde in over 2 years
<4> it'd be nice if I could get distcc to use osx and windows, because I've only got one linux box in the house :\
<5> percocetpenguin: well, I've no clue how to edit gnome menus
<6> If i want to use an external card reader reading mainly sd crads, do i need to enable mtd in kernel?
<7> mcf3782: i know how frustrating it can be, try enabling everything alsa related (but not all sound drivers), re-emerge alsa-utils
<2> percocetpenguin, do you think that there is a progression from GUI-user to command line commander that people follow through the use of *nix systems?
<1> GnarlyBob: attitude issue: you should get windoze to use distcc, not the other way around!
<3> well i tried what that other guy suggested, typeing oo then tab, and nothing came up
<4> adaptr: good point
<7> mcf3782: i think your just missing something in the kernel.. did you add alsasound with rc-update?
<8> waxbolt: i'd always dreamed of a huge distcc cluster compiling glibc within a second, but until now i've only got 3 pc's :(
<5> percocetpenguin: tab twice?
<3> yep
<2> bluebird__, this is a problem that we can solve collectively
<1> GnarlyBob: with a lot of tweaking, you could maybe get the windows gnu port (whats their name again?) to run distcc for gcc...
<3> it acts as if it isn't installed at all
<5> huh.
<9> bluebird__, 2 Dual Opetron (32 GB RAM each)
<4> mcf3782: is it possible that you've got both alsa enabled in your kernel, _and_ you're using the alsa-drivers ebuild mechanism?
<3> but i get no compilation errors
<6> cygwin adaptr
<4> adaptr: cygwin
<0> id0ru I'll check on the alsasound. I don't remember looking at that yet.
<1> skunk_eyed: thanks, yeah
<8> AnMaster: can you mail it to me? ;)
<6> cygwin adaptr
<6> opps
<4> I can't use a windows box without cygwin :)
<5> well, I gotta reboot again and see if I managed to make kubuntu happy.
<6> If i want to use an external card reader reading mainly sd crads, do i need to enable mtd in kernel?
<1> skunk_eyed: extra points for finding the up-arrow ;-)
<6> GnarlyBob, me neither
<2> bluebird__, if gentoo could go p2p in that fashion, it would be scalable in a big way, and wouldn't need to be tied to either the binary-only or the source-only routes
<9> bluebird__, It's the companys@my_home. No. Some TBs of RAID too.
<6> adaptr i have known the up arrow since i was a *nix infant... in other word 12 years
<1> GnarlyBob: I've testridden the new MSH (Microsoft SHell) yesterday.. and they've added like 3764 gaZILLION commands.. all of which are over 20 characters long! and all of their options are 2 lines long, too!
<1> thanks for playing, MS, but alas...
<0> GnarlyBob - not sure I understand your question about the alsa-drivers ebuild mechanism..
<4> adaptr: with just a little luck, I'll never have to use Windows again
<1> GnarlyBob: explain?
<4> mcf3782: one second, let me find a reference
<2> waxbolt, making a distributed compilation and binhosting system would solidify and cohesively spread the community, and give us all a few more options (like installing a good, customized sys on a p.o.s. computer)
<2> the point of gentoo all along, imho
<6> GnarlyBob, I won't as soon as adobe(formerly macromedia) flash work in linux, or crossover supports it
<7> yeah let's all donate for a supercomputah for all gentoo users
<4> adaptr: I don't generally use windows for anything but games, and I haven't even used it for that in ~6 months
<1> GnarlyBob: so , instead of luck you actually mean perseverence ?
<9> id0ru_, And you will be root? ;)
<1> willpower...
<6> GnarlyBob, games is currentl all i use it for. and flash, that is
<7> AnMaster: :P
<8> waxbolt: something like seti@home?
<4> adaptr: nah, there's some element of luck there. Being in the IT business, one occasionally does have to use Windows despite preference.
<5> yay, I fixed kubuntu
<10> ...but not to find aliens or cure alzheimer's :)
<6> My ICT teacher is allowing me to install linux on one machine, to show people the alternetives... should i use gentoo?
<4> skunk_eyed: I just bought a mac, and my current favourite game runs well in osx :) And I haven't had any need for flash yet
<1> GnarlyBob: I have to use Windows every day, flying blindly in the face of preference, so yes.. I feel your pain
<7> GnarlyBob: well luckily im not a sysadmin anymore.. i work for linux company, developing software :)
<10> skunk_eyed: why not@? so long as it has a nice UI...
<2> bluebird__, close to that. only the data is both compiled and hosted by the machines. it could be p2p in a more general sense, perhaps, basing compilation flags, options, etc. on actual use rates of the community
<4> skunk_eyed: will you be demonstrating the install procedure, or will the other people not see it until after it's installed?
<6> GnarlyBob, what game is that? warcraft 3? cos that's the onle game on mac afaik :P
<1> skunk_eyed: don't let them see you install it ! better use Ubuntu or SuSE for that...
<6> GnarlyBob, post install
<4> skunk_eyed: Command & Conquer: Generals
<6> ok
<11> hi! anyone using Eclipse ? i have problems with eclipse under gentoo: it is very slow! when using the VE editor i have reaction times with 2-3 seconds! ressources cant be the point ,even in a vmware with windows it works fine on the same machine!
<4> I was shocked when I bought the mac last week, there was a surprisingly large selection of games
<11> anyone any idea what could be the slowdown problem ?
<2> bluebird__, seti@HOME, folding@HOME all send out bits of processing from a huge space... they're searching, but this system would be producing and redirecting itself with changes in userbase needs
<2> bluebird__, this needs to be discussed more clearly. i mean to make a post in the gentoo forums... just too much other work right now
<4> waxbolt: that's intriguing... I've been sort of brainstorming something that has that sort of distributed OS as a foundation
<6> naah, i won't adaptr. but on subject of installers, i recently reinstalled windows, after several installs of various linux's. omg it takes 15 mins to partition 60 gigs!! and the installer takes ages, and you're left with hardly any packages. linux installers (the guied ones at least) take far less time and already give you im's, browsers (at least not buggy ones) email clients, and whatnot
<4> waxbolt: but it's more abstract than OS :) Think of it as an environment that is OS-neutral that sits a layer above
<0> looking at my kernel config for version 2.6.15-gentoo-r1 with 'make xconfig'; I have 'Advanced Linus Sound Architecture', 'Sequencer Support', 'OSS Mixer API', 'OSS PCM API', 'OSS Sequence API'. 'Debug'. and 'Debug Detection' all with check marks. If I understand this correctly, that means I have all of these options compiled into my kernel.
<4> skunk_eyed: the single easiest operating system install I've ever done was Ubuntu 5.04 on an oldish dell laptop
<6> adaptr, that made me thhink that the only reason windows still has so much market share is cos ppl don't install it
<0> Is it "a bad thing" to compile sound stuff directly into the kernel instead of compiling it as a module these days?
<6> GnarlyBob, suse 10 or ubuntu 5.10
<6> for me
<2> GnarlyBob, i have a grad cl*** in p2p networks. i need to do a big project (pure research or creation/research)... and i've been thinking in this direction
<7> mcf3782: not at all
<4> skunk_eyed: ubuntu 5.10 would be my choice of those 2
<1> skunk_eyed: highly slanted accoutn you give there.. you can partition in seconds, and formatting takes a minute or so regardless of size if you do a quickformat.. and Windows simply does not *have* a lot of free software htat comes with it
<9> mcf3782, It works for me. (Soundblaster Live!)
<12> should i rather use cedega or wine to game under gentoo?
<4> I have a ton of ship-it cd's around
<4> BanditZa: cedega, but it costs $$ (very cheap though)
<9> mcf3782, I meant "Soundblaster Live! 5.1"
<13> is there anyway to edit an iso on the fly?? like with the winiso program..!!!
<14> Well, I have ubuntu on my 5-year old laptop, debian64 on my amd64 mythtv box, and I am trying out gentoo on a spare partition of my desktop PC.
<7> Java89159: mount it
<12> yeah i was thinking of getting a membership. is cedega an emu or not?
<4> cedega runs games great, but things like MS Office etc run better in standard wine. go figure.
<0> To me, the only benefit to compiling a module is for something you might want to not have loaded from time to time for some reason... There's not a time that I'd want to *NOT* have sound capabilities, so module versus no module didn't seem important.
<15> which tool to check for hdd bad blocks?
<12> thanks guys :)
<1> skunk_eyed: even so, a bare Windows XP install does give you IM, browser and email
<6> adaptr, but given linux's freeness and everything, that packages are able to be provided. that's an added bonus. and windows takes 30 mins + to config hardware
<6> adaptr, bad choice of packages
<4> cedega _is_ wine - just a commercial "optimized" version of it
<12> ah ic
<14> Java89159: You can mount iso's using the loop device. That let's you "check them out" before burning them to CD, ***uming you built the IOS.
<9> mcf3782, If you want to use alsa-modules don't add alsa-support. Only sound card support.
<1> skunk_eyed: the two are wholly unrelated... Linux being FLOSS and the applications being free are not the same thing
<6> optimized for games, GnarlyBob should add
<4> skunk_eyed: I did earlier :)
<1> skunk_eyed: no choice, you mean
<12> *Sigh* emerging kde takes forever :P
<10> BanditZa: don't use KDe, then :P
<13> is there anyway to edit an iso on the fly?? like with the winiso program..!!!
<1> BanditZa: borrow AnMaster 's cluster
<12> lol
<10> might i suggest openbox?
<7> no
<12> haha yeah i would love to do so
<12> Hmm_|: im almost done, and i like the look of KDE. Is openbox any good?
<14> Java89159: Did you not read my message?
<13> goldfish no sorry let me check
<1> you may, however, suggest e17, fluxbox, ratpoison *and* Gnome - which we will all reject with glee
<6> adaptr you do have good points. but on a whole different level, regardless what any of us said, you prefer linux, right?
<9> BanditZa, No way. My 2x Dual Operon (32 GB RAM) are not for anyone else.
<10> BanditZa: wonderful, if you like *box wms
<16> Hi guys
<7> hi
<1> skunk_eyed: thank you, I'm sure you have your good points as well...;-)
<7> you female?
<9> hello.
<10> oh dear seem to be in bad comapny for this sort of envangelising ::)
<12> hehe AnMaster thats a pity
<0> AnMaster - umm... ok... but without alsa-support in the kernel... how does it work? Not saying you're wrong, it just doesn't make sense to me. :)
<6> adaptr. i just need to dig deep in my brain to find em :P
<12> Hmm_|: im looking for a friendly desktop env more than anything else
<17> mcf3782: just continue using the kernels alsa & built in instead of modules, it just works.
<9> BanditZa, Nor are my TB RAIDs for anyone else.
<12> haha
<17> AnMaster: enough about your opterons already
<17> seriously
<9> mcf3782, Not to be either.
<7> lol
<9> notben_, It was adaptr who mentioned it.
<1> skunk_eyed: as to your Windows "question": that all depends on your use for an OS... as a desktop OS, to be used by office personnel, Windows is certainly very much the accepted standard, and everybody can sort-of use it up to a certain level
<13> goldfish sur.. but if i have allready a bootable iso but i want to add some files in it?
<10> BanditZa: then i would suggesy KDe :)
<1> notben_: you can never have enough opterons
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