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<0> I mean...hey! I love a window manager that installs 500+ extra apps, oh not to mention it's ugly menu's, control center. I mean you might as well as Microsoft to port explorer.exe (well not that bad but it is pretty bad ;))
<1> but I don't have time to bicker, the hockey game is on
<2> Draconx: yes but do you actually need the whole kde thing on all screens anyway ?
<3> dewd: xinerama ****s :<
<4> nomadsoul_ t35t0r G then 1 2 3 or 4
<5> Yawgmoth7, X includes twm for people like you
<0> ACtually I use Fluxbox or gnome+Xgl
<6> Draconx: fwiw, i had kde + dual mons running fine for like a year
<7> dewd, when I tried kde, it runs 3 completely separate instances of the panel, desktop, wm, and more -- one on each screen. Hence no more memory
<1> Yawgmoth7: that doesn't mean it fails, plus a lot of people find its menus not ugly
<8> damnit! I have a big problem installing modular X Server [blocks B ] >=x11-base/xorg-server-1.0.99 (is blocking media-video/nvidia-glx-1.0.8762) (Yes, I am very through the howto!) can anyone help?
<3> as did I
<9> Yawgmoth7, I like kde except for it's bloated C++ ness which is why I don't use it
<2> seems to me that you can get away with kwin only no need ..
<7> iamben, using a multi-screen X configuration?
<10> How does Gentoo do that nifty terminal switch on Windows key thing again?
<5> Yawgmoth7, gnome includes its fair share of extra things many people never would install on their own either
<11> Muelli, use xorg-server-1.0.2
<1> AntiLiberal: are you saying that C++ is bloated?
<0> true
<9> Muelli, you will have to get rid of your existing X server I thing
<12> Yawgmoth7: i use fluxbox too. text config files did it for me. xml is very difficult to read
<6> Draconx: twinview, similar to xinerama... and separate procs for multiple panels doesnt mean it is using 2x the memory
<13> winkey, what is that doing?>
<0> The only reason I ever use it is because I like Xgl
<2> Draconx: Guess that's you starting full kde on all screens
<7> iamben, neither of those are multiple screen
<14> Yawgmoth7, nvidia?
<4> t35t0r pages i think
<9> TFKyle, Programmers that use C++ tent to make bloated code
<8> AntiLiberal: [ebuild N ] x11-base/xorg-server-1.1.0
<3> dewd: that's default
<10> people run out of memory because they're too cheap to buy enough of it in the first place :P
<1> AntiLiberal: not all programmers, I resent that
<0> But it doesn't install anywhere near 500+ apps. But who really cares, :)
<15> sif
<0> Heh
<11> Muelli, Don't use a 1.1.X X-server
<15> highfive TFKyle
<0> Everyone should use Lisp
<7> fvwm == win
<0> Yeah, I have a nvidia
<13> winkey, it doesn't seem like it
<1> but anyway, /me is gone now
<11> Muelli, at least until Nvidia releases 9000 series drivers
<2> dz: i know but hey you don't have to keep it default don't you ..
<8> sloloem: I'll give it a try
<12> Yawgmoth7: i DO use lisp
<8> sloloem: All ebuilds that could satisfy ">=x11-base/xorg-server-1.1.0" have been masked. (dependency required by "x11-base/xorg-x11-7.1" [ebuild])
<11> Muelli, I installed 1.1.0 a few days ago and my display was like "Fonts? What are those?"
<7> who needs fonts
<11> People who like to read, for one.
<12> fonts are for the weak
<4> t35t0r try something else from the man page
<0> Hmm, LISP is soooo awesome
<7> LUA :)
<2> Yawgmoth7: what's so great about it ?
<0> eh
<0> ...
<0> It's my favorite language in the world
<0> Read some about it :D
<0> I've got to go for some summer-party thing
<12> (i (must (definatley) (agree (Yawgmoth7))))
<13> Draconx, heh stupid gnome terminal, when i hit f1 for help it brings up the gnome terminal help and not the htop help
<12> dewd: learn it. you'll see
<11> Muelli, emerge =xorg-server-1.0.2-r4 ?
<0> CalJohn, YES! Lispers ftw!!!
<7> real programmers use ***embler
<4> t35t0r xterm
<8> sloloem: I want xorg-x11
<0> Real programmers use Lisp
<13> real idiots use ***embly
<13> winkey, yea
<12> Draconx: no, robots use asm
<16> real programmers use whatever they want
<11> Muelli, X11 is the protocol, not the version
<16> except Java
<11> Well put, putz
<7> putz, true, that :)
<16> 11 is the protocol version
<0> My statement isn't ture, I know lots of good programmers that don't use Lisp but Lisp is omnipotent
<0> Okay, gotta go
<0> bye
<17> Anyone have any idea on the PEAR issue?
<11> 1.0.2-r4+nvidia drivers = good 1.1.0+nvidia=broken
<12> not all good programmers use lisp. but all programmers who use lisp are good programmers.
<18> anyone known a reader email that to be light
<12> killown: mutt
<18> CalJohn thanks
<13> CalJohn, what
<4> who wrote that mccarty?
<12> killown: it's VERY light though
<16> ncurses++
<12> winkey: Alan Kay, i think
<18> CalJohn i want mode graphic
<16> killown, sylpheed
<12> he also said "Lisp is the single greatest programming language ever invented" though
<16> he sounds biased
<18> putz ok
<12> putz: well, he also has 3 PhD's...:p
<16> :P
<13> 3 PhD's in what?
<15> being a blow-arse
<12> t35t0r: everything, the universe and being-right-about-programming-languages
<16> wow, I'd like to look at those transcripts
<2> LOL
<19> im trying to install gentoo with this livecd, but evertime the cd boots the kernel up
<19> it starts to have some sort of graphical problem
<19> should i try to boot it with agpgart?
<12> Jeaton: use the gentoo-nofb kernel
<19> ok, thanks
<20> how do I delete a dir?
<12> trent: rm -rf $DIR
<21> rm -rf
<20> thanks
<12> or, rmdir if you're feeling less brave
<2> or rmdir more specifically
<12> trent: BE CAREFUL OF SYMLINKS
<18> putz, libgpg-error.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
<7> CalJohn, rm doesn't follow symlinks by default
<16> killown, emerge libgpg-error
<18> ok
<12> Draconx: oh. i never knew that.
<22> Hello,
<22> what is a common dns server for gentoo?//
<12> ***ociateX: why, hello there
<20> wait... I had a symlink in it, im okay with rm -rf?
<18> putz thanks friend
<12> trent: apparantly, yes
<2> ***ociateX: bind
<20> phew
<22> dewd, thanks
<23> ***ociateX: djbdns
<22> juckes, thank you
<12> i refuse to use djbdns on principle of djb being worse that Theo D'raadt.
<20> how can I see the symlinks?
<12> even OpenBSD developers thinkg djb is an arsehole ;)
<15> theo d'raadt zwns you
<7> trent, ls
<20> that works?
<24> is djb the guy who wrote qmail as well?
<12> neilbag1: yeah
<24> legend! LOL
<25> Is flock in the Portage tree (it just came out)?
<2> yeah I don't like it
<26> why does kopete depends on xmms????
<26> strange
<23> yep
<7> trent, if you have ls colours on, symlinks will be cyan (default in gentoo). ls -l will tell you where they go
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