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<0> okay, I *really* need to change the font here.
<1> AidanJT: I don't think ff has that many mem leaks, its just fairly heaby
<2> AidanJT: With the ever increasing size of PC RAM, who cares about memory leaks =)
<1> *heavy
<3> arrummzen: I know, but it gets to swapping pain after a few weeks of not rebooting your machine :/
<1> AidanJT: and since its opensource and you know about all these meleaks why not fix them?
<3> TFKyle: I had a look, though it was like looking for a needle in a cargo container full of needles
<3> and im not really that good yet anyhow, *shrug*
<1> AidanJT: if you weren't able to find where it what how could you be sure it was actually a memcleak in firefox, and not something else?
<1> *where it was
<1> wow, I can't type today
<3> because it doesn't release memory when i close down all but 1 window and tab?
<3> lol
<1> AidanJT: that doesn't mean its leaking, it doesn't grow that much when you load another page does it?
<4> have you tried running valgrind on firefox?
<3> 1.5.0.3 fixed a lot, but it still needs work
<1> AidanJT: maybe it uses a garbage collection system or something, where it only frees mem when it has to
<3> as far as my computer is concerned it has 2GB of memory, 1GB ram, 1GB of swap, doesn't mean i want 1GB eaten by a GC before it starts deallocating
<1> or maybe it caches certain graphics of pages so it doesn't have to load them from disk each time
<2> AidanJT: just dump the swap.
<3> arrummzen: still doesn't fix the problem thou :P
<3> it's overzealous memory usage by any means
<2> AidanJT: There is this cool thing called the OOMkiller, when a program starts to horde memory it just takes care of it.
<1> AidanJT: I havn't had any problems with epiphany (using firefoxes gecko) leaking, its never gone over 100MB RSS
<2> all you have to do is restart the program.
<3> TFKyle: that's nice, i could live with that
<2> dillo is a nice browser as well =)
<1> meh
<1> gtk-webcore ftw :)
<5> hey, could anyone tell me a direct link to ipw2200 firmware?
<5> give*
<5> b/c i am still in text
<5> can't handle the php
<2> you can't just emerge it?
<5> can you?
<6> cabose: less `equery w ipw2200`
<5> what would it be called?
<2> That is how I got it...
<2> net-wireless/ipw2200-firmware
<2> emerge ipw2200-firmware should suffice.
<3> cabose: emerge -av ipw2200
<3> ipw2200 is a dependency
<3> err, ipw2200-firmware is a dependency
<5> for?
<5> oh
<5> right
<5> gotcha
<7> install failed! :(
<8> hi
<8> do I need this line in grub for my custom kernel ? (initrd/boot/initrd.img-2.6.16-ck12)
<8> initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.16-ck12
<2> that would depend ... do you need to load a initrd?
<8> wat is it for?
<8> the kernel i compiled did not produce the inird.img
<8> nvm
<8> i'll leave it out for now
<2> an initrd is just what its name implys , a initiral ramdisk.
<2> basicly, if you have an initrd when the system first boots, its / is on a ramdisk.
<9> vinboy: for a custom kernel you dont need an initrd unless you built an initrd.. which i doubt you did
<2> They are used in cases were something needs to be done to setup access to the / filesystem.
<8> Kyuu: ok.. thx
<8> arrummzen: thanks.. i think i dun need it now since i got my drivers build in the kernel
<2> well, I made an initrd once that had an entire installation on it (128mb) to use with a netboot system.
<8> nice
<2> you shouldn't need one for a standard setup...
<10> im having problem with emerge. Im trying to emerge xchat and I get this error saying, error in server greeting and it keeps going over and over.
<9> pvd: that doesnt tell us much
<10> thats all its telling me
<9> pvd: paste to pastebin?
<10> its connects, resolves, logging in as anonymous then error in server greeting, retrying.
<10> ok
<11> is there any word yet as to when gentoo will attempt to migrate to gcc 4.x?
<9> pvd: oh.. thats just an FTP server acting up.. most likely
<9> trelane: when stuff starts supporting it fully
<9> trelane: personally ive been using gcc 4.x for over 6 months now
<11> Kyuu: how much should have to "support" a compiler, if the code is standard shouldn't it compile?
<9> but there are still alot of things that puke when building with 4.x
<12> trelane: gcc 4 enforces the standards more closely that older version did
<11> Garibaldi: well that's a welcome change
<9> trelane: but alot of the code *isnt* standard.. things like qemu abuse the compiler and C code the make things work.. and it no longer works with 4.x
<12> trelane: indeed; however, old code that took advantage of the fact that the compiler didn't enforce the standard doesn't compile on the new compiler :-)
<9> yah.. and abusing C is fun :D
<11> Garibaldi: well that's not gcc's fault
<9> trelane: but that what good does a compiler do if code doesnt build on it? it doesnt matter whose *fault* it is..
<9> trelane: its just a matter of time for poeple to fix their code...
<12> trelane: no, it's not. But you have to ask yourself, do you want applications that work with a compiler that works (but doesn't enforce the standard), or do you want a standards-compliant compiler that won't build the applications.
<13> this is my argument for a pacakge.gcc
<9> if they ever do...
<9> thechris: interesting idea...
<11> Garibaldi: I just spent a week harping about the wording of one line in RFC 1918, give me the standard-compliant compiler
<9> thechris: it would also be nice if portage correctly updated slotted packages..
<13> Kyuu: its been rejected by the gentoo devs.
<13> though apparently you can rig something like it up
<9> thechris: oh, im sure its pretty easy if you can read python
<12> trelane: echo "~sys-devel/gcc-4.1" >> /etc/portage/package.keywords/gcc
<9> thechris: im just lazy.. dont wanna patch portage each time it updates
<12> trelane: :-P
<9> although.. portage does need to properly update slotted packages..
<13> Kyuu: i used to have a portage wrapper that would just do a series of emerge -O (build single package) and do a gcc-config between each one based upon a package.gcc
<9> like.. say i have gcc 3.x and gcc 4.x, it would be nice if portage updated 3.x instead of 4.x only
<9> thechris: yah..
<9> oh well *shrug*
<13> Kyuu: and i had a gcc.cflags to keep the -mtune vs -mcpu thing from braking
<9> thechris: meh.. i dont really mess with my CFLAGS often enough to really care
<13> Kyuu: well its not so much changing your cflags. its if you use a cflag that is not in all versions of gcc. like -mtune isn't on gcc3.3.
<9> yah.. but i only use gcc 4.x anyways at this point.. and i dont really mess with cflags that are nasty enough to be per version..
<9> or use gcc old enough :P
<13> true. i made the wrapper back when it was gcc3.3 and gcc3.4
<9> yah
<9> *shrug* i always used march anyways
<9> i wasnt building any bin packages
<14> a little off-topic, but any comments on the colors? http://www.ompty.org/portdupe.png
<10> what is the command to select your ftp servers for portage again? The one that has a little gui to select.
<9> i didnt know there was a GUI...
<14> pvd: mirrorselect?
<15> mirrorselect
<10> yes thats it
<9> ugh.. evil mirrorselect
<10> this ftp server isnt working
<10> for me
<15> its just a bash dialog, no?
<15> pvd: rsync
<15> or well, d'oh..
<15> there is ftp servers in there too <.<
<16> Does anyone know how to conver a .toast to a burnable format?
<17> Kyuu: the current one in the tree is a complete rewrie since the version you are thinking of
<18> im trying to install an ebuild of tovid, but emerge is complaining about Manifest
<9> tercel: its still evil!
<18> But i can't find the Manifest on the internet :(
<9> tercel: once evil.. always evil :p
<10> crap I dont have mirrorselect
<17> Kyuu: why?
<10> oh well
<14> ErZo: ncurses
<17> pvd: emerge it
<9> tercel: it pissed me off enough for a lifetime?
<10> i cant emerge
<15> omp: It looks like dialog :o
<17> pvd: its a quick merge
<19> outpour: ebuild /usr/portage/foo.ebuild digest
<17> pvd: oh
<17> Kyuu: well if you have a bug file it, otherwise try not to bash my code in public, thanks
<15> pvd: manually change your make.conf
<14> ErZo: dialog depends on ncurses
<18> stuuf: thanks !
<10> yeah thats what im going to do
<15> omp: really? didn't know that. thanks
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