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<0> Shirakawasuna, Oh right, i forgot about the whole.. resarting X thing. Duh. Thanks for bringing me back to common sense ;D
<1> AlaricX: but dont' do it right now
<2> t35t0r: do you have fam running or anything? I know it can cause problems like that
<1> AlaricX: you'll lose the little bit of functionality (probably) that you have right now until it's completely done updating
<0> Shirakawasuna, Didn't plan on it ;D
<0> Shirakawasuna, Ah, yeah
<3> ps -Af | grep fam returned nothing
<4> t35t0r: what users are logged in? (sometimes an another user's shell uses the drive, believe me I sometimes stand in a dir, su, then i don't know why it does not umount)
<3> vlsoft, just me
<3> and root
<4> __and__ :)
<3> no one else
<1> t35t0r: you could close all of your shells and try again
<3> Shirakawasuna, the shell's are not in the directory where the drive is mounted
<5> t35t0r: what about lsof | grep /mnt/point
<4> log out completely with all users, log in as root only, and then try umount...
<3> imbezol, shows nothing
<5> grep /mnt/point /proc/mounts
<3> /dev/lacieG935hd1 /mnt/blah/d2 ext3 rw,data=ordered 0 0
<3> that's the mounted bastard
<1> t35t0r: if any program was started from a shell in a dir in the drive, it won't umount properly
<3> that won't unmount
<3> Shirakawasuna, ok then wouldn't lsof have shown it ..it doesn't show anything
<5> t35t0r: mount -o remount,ro /dev/lacieG935hd1 /mnt/blah/d2
<3> lsof | grep -i d2 -> nothing
<1> t35t0r: lsof doesn't always work for me
<5> t35t0r: might need -f as well
<1> t35t0r: konqueror can be precaching itself and using say my dvd drive and lsof won't be helpful at all....but killing konqueror will let me umount the dvd drive
<1> it's all very silly
<1> umount -lf is dangerous for hard drives, correct?
<1> not so much for dvd drives
<6> When trying to do emerge update, i'm getting a block error that xorg-server-1.0.99 is blocking nvidia-glx...however my xorg-server is 1.1, not 1.0.99
<7> the block is >1.0.99
<5> Omniscientist: something else you have installed wants xorg-server-1.0.99
<2> Omniscientist: notice the >= (which means anything newer or equal to)
<3> NFS!
<3> lsof or fuser won't show nfs
<6> TFKyle: oki doki.
<3> uggh
<6> TFKyle: just making sure it meant that and it's not some incorrect atom or something i put in there
<3> that's very dumb
<6> so to fix this i should i temporarily unmerge xorg?
<8> Omniscientist, nope
<1> Omniscientist: you need to put two entries in your package.mask: >=x11-base/xorg-server-1.0.99 and >=x11-base/xorg-x11-7.1
<1> Omniscientist: then everything will be happy
<5> umount does ****.. it needs to be able to unmount stuff forcedly
<2> Omniscientist: either unmerge nvidia and use xorg 7.1, or mask xorg 7.1 and use xorg 7.0
<6> is xorg-server-1.0.99 and up hardmasked?
<1> imbezol: it can. It's just dangerous
<6> or should be?
<8> Omniscientist, edit /etc/portage/package.mask & mask the xorg-server x11-xorg & x11-drivers u are using. example http://pastebin.com/763626
<1> imbezol: umount -fl will umount almost anything forcefully
<6> alright thanks
<5> Shirakawasuna: no it can't
<9> hi! will revdep-rebuild -X -- -DuvaN give me the newest versions of each package?
<10> can anyone figure out why i can ping servers during installation, but cant get links to make a connection?
<11> imbezol: do a sync first
<12> is there an offtopic channel here?
<9> Jesus_Skwirrell: the http server is down?
<3> it was nfs
<5> Shirakawasuna: it's very easy to get an NFS or SMB or other filesystem to be impossible to unmount
<10> no, cas im on it on this computer...
<11> t35t0r: not famd?
<1> imbezol: umount -fl as root has never failed me when it comes to nfs shares
<2> t35t0r: thought you said it was USB?
<3> TFKyle, yes it was being shared over nfs ...
<5> [ebuild R ] x11-base/xorg-x11-7.0-r1 VIDEO_CARDS="-mach64% -r128% -radeon%"
<5> [ebuild R ] media-video/nvidia-kernel-1.0.8762
<2> oh, ok
<3> TFKyle, lsof or fuser didn't show anything about it
<3> and i forgot
<9> Jesus_Skwirrell: well, exactly what can you and can't you do?
<3> cahoot, famd was never running
<1> imbezol: what's w/ the emerge output?
<10> can: ping servers; cant: connect to links http://www.gentoo.org/main/en/mirrors.xml
<5> Shirakawasuna: just showing that those two work together
<8> imbezol, xorg 7.1 doesnt work cause of driver abi changes. xorg 7.0 works though
<2> Jesus_Skwirrell: you can ping gentoo.org successfully?
<9> Jesus_Skwirrell: i can connect to it
<9> Jesus_Skwirrell: don't know what the difference is but try links2 :)
<1> imbezol: oh
<10> TFKyle: yes
<2> Maxentius: I don't think theres any difference, links is a symlink to links2 (or visa-versa)
<9> does anyone know if revdep-rebuild -X -- -DuvaN will give me the newest versions of each package?
<9> oh, ok
<1> is there a project out there to make mount/umounting in a situation like t35t0r's more intelligent? I'd like to give them money
<10> maxentius: no, it isnt
<6> hollowsoul: i did that and now its just complaining that all ebuilds that could satisfy >=x11-base/xorg-server-1.0.99 have been masked
<13> i keep having directories randomly get their sticky-bit set. does anybody have any idea how this could happen?
<1> Maxentius: emerge -DuaNv world will give you the newest version of ever package in your system to your preference (x86, ~x86, etc)
<8> Omniscientist, what package wants xorg-server ?
<6> hollowsoul i'm trying to figure that out
<9> Shirakawasuna: i know that but i'm not too familiar with revdep-rebuild :P
<8> Omniscientist, u need to mask the drivers same way as in example
<6> oh
<6> x11-drivers/xf86-video-vmware-10.13.0
<6> wants it
<1> Maxentius: just run revdep-rebuild to fix things...if you have any binary packages there's a guide on the gentoo wiki to help you sort things out with that
<2> Omniscientist: take the xorg 7.1 from http://www.gentoo.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/*checkout*/profiles/package.mask?rev=1.5459 and add it to your /etc/portage/package.mask
<14> hi
<2> *xorg 7.1 mask
<9> Shirakawasuna: i have to fix things... some kde things... but i want to updrage to 3.5.3 since i have to compile kde anyway
<6> ok
<1> Maxentius: revdep-rebuild
<14> just a question .. is the Radeon X16Pro supported by Xorg with 3D support ?
<6> does nvidia not support the new xorg?
<6> because i don't mind haven't the newest xorg
<1> Omniscientist: it doesn't
<6> hmm ok
<6> thx
<2> Omniscientist: nope
<6> makes sense now
<15> Could someone help me setup my DVD Drive and CD Burner? Ive read some documentation and setup modules.conf to reflect scsi emulation, and added it in grub.conf, but Im not getting anywhere
<7> nvidia does support the new xorg
<16> which is the main difference between stage 2 and 3?
<7> just can't use bitmap fonts
<1> Omniscientist: xorg 7.1 does not play nicely with the nvidia drivers
<7> gotta use truetype
<7> path_: usefulness
<16> but in terms of final performance
<2> Shirakawasuna: more like nvidia ****s too much to port their drivers to the new abi :)
<1> path_: doesn't matter
<1> path_: after using a stage3 you can emerge -e world and have all the 'performance' you'd like
<9> Shirakawasuna: will revdep-rebuild -X -- -DuvaN work for what i want or is there a better way?
<7> path_: stage2 is useless
<16> i see
<14> aeon_: what exactly is your probelm ?
<16> thanks all :)
<1> path_: stage2 will just take a lot longer because you'll run into some silly problem and spend hours on it
<16> ahahah
<2> hydrogen: without stage2 you couldn't have stage3
<2> hydrogen: so it isn't useless
<1> Maxentius: I don't see where you're getting all of this extra stuff. Just run revdep-rebuild
<6> ok i believe that fixed it
<6> thanks guys!
<4> By the way; I had hacked the old firefox filepicker back, although it looks pretty good, now that i can change gnome themes... google: firefox filepicker the first hit tells what to write in which file...
<16> another question, when we will have the next gentoo's release?
<8> Maxentius what exactly u tryin todo ?
<16> on september maybe?
<1> path_: in about 11 years
<9> Shirakawasuna: but then it will try to install my old kde version which i think isn't even in portage
<1> Maxentius: what version?
<16> Shirakawasuna, wtf? XD
<14> just a question .. is the Radeon X1600Pro supported by Xorg with 3D support ?
<9> hollowsoul: making revdep-rebuild upgrade instead of just rebuilding what i have
<8> path_, emerge --sync && emerge -DNuav world will update gentoo no need for a new install
<1> path_: I think they're on a 6-month release cycle. So about 6 months from the last release
<16> oke :)
<15> DarkRyu, Im trying to use xcdroast, and it wont detect either of my devices
<9> Shirakawasuna: 3.5.2 - 3.5.1 was removed from portage when 3.5.2 came so i guess 3.5.2 is gone now
<1> path_: by hollowsoul has the right point. You won't need to reinstall to have the benefits of the next release
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