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<0> Introvert: YOu could get some printable iron-on transfer material, and print a Gentoo logo on it, and iron it on to a plain T-Shirt.
<1> nanobanshee: well, it's in the dmesg. and it also says: usb-storage: device scan complete
<2> Punkcut: Sure, just make sure you enable large hd support/etc
<2> DrChandra: Nah ;/
<3> so how does gentoo's compileing a lot of things play a role in this
<4> styleuk: well /usr/lib is like /lib, its for libs of usr programs (instead of libs for the whole system), /var/lib is variable library data, its more reference data for applications
<5> anchorman, well, a lot of the portage files would qualify as "many small files"
<6> Dion: so it is an external usb DVD burner you are telling me? but usb-storage doesn't detect it?
<4> styleuk: there's a description of all of this, actually, google for 'linux standard filesystem' or something like that
<2> Suppose I'll just buy a BSD shirt instead
<2> Even though their "
<2> Reverse Engineered Nvidia network driver ****s
<2> ;]
<7> _AxS_, just gets me too confused, so I think i will google it
<3> thus the best fs to use on a laptop with gentoo installed is resierfs
<6> styleuk: I just gave you the link.
<8> Hello! Is it possible to install a binary package with portage? Compiling all packages is a litle bit too time consuming...
<7> nanobanshee, yeah im looking at it now, it's long
<4> mantono: nope, except for some things (firefox, openoffice)
<6> styleuk: don't read it! just refer to it when you have a question. it will put you to sleep in 2 secs.
<8> _AxS_: oh :o
<7> nanobanshee, ah that'll be why then :P I'll read the first bit now and if it does'nt make sence i'll come bug you lot some more
<9> to use a different kernel, can just relink /usr/src/linux to the kernels that are in /usr/src ?
<6> styleuk: good plan.
<4> mantono: you can install from the Universal CD and use its binary packages to get you going, but if you already started your install you'll have to do it over, so there probably won't be any time savings at this point
<6> AfroTurf: yes.
<9> nanobanshee: ah thanks
<2> AfroTurf: Also, if you got the kernel from portage it should do the symlink itself.
<6> AfroTurf: and then compile it, install the modules and tell grub to use the new one ;)
<4> AfroTurf: yep
<9> ah ok
<8> _AxS_: Well, I just have a minimal CD anyway...
<2> I totally hate drafting cl*** -- I hate to install Windows to do some HW.
<1> nanobanshee: well i'm not sure. usb-storage support is working. but it never exactly tells me what it found (in dmesg)
<6> Introvert: wine.
<3> dumb question: how do i format a drive with reiserfs
<10> Introvert: qemu
<7> nanobanshee, so /etc is for *all* configuration files for *everything*?
<4> qemu?
<2> nanobanshee: All of my attempts to emulate the drafting software I needed didn't work too well at all
<3> nvmd, i'm on knoppx notgentto
<6> styleuk: pretty much.
<1> nanobanshee: and yes external dvd burner
<11> mantono, gentoo is based on compiling everything
<10> _AxS_: pc emulator
<12> styleuk: ideally, yes :)
<9> nanobanshee: whats that command that lets me select modules and compile again?
<4> styleuk: for 99% of them. some apps have their own configuration files elsewhere (postgresql for instance keeps its configs with its data files)
<13> gentoo is a from source distro. it's not for everybody. in many cases, a binary distro will suit you better.
<4> styleuk: but all system-related config files are there.
<8> seren: Well, I know. But there is moments when you have to do somwthing fast...
<7> _AxS_, well that makes no sence then... why can't software config files be stashed there too?!
<6> AfroTurf: once you link to the new kernel source, cd /usr/src/linux && make menuconfig && make modules && make modules_instll
<11> mantono, =/
<6> install*
<7> Linus did'nt exactly make it easy did he :(
<9> nanobanshee: aaah thats right thanks
<1> nanobanshee: It is detected during boot up. (the message commes after /proc is mounted) But I can't find it after that
<4> mantono: in the long run (as in years), imo, gentoo is faster... way easier to upgrade and install new things..
<6> Dion: emerge lshw. it tell you where everything is.
<1> nanobanshee: thx. it'll take a second
<4> nanobanshee: hey, since we're on the subject, i tried adding an external usb cdrom to my system earlier today, and usb-storage didn't do anything with _it_ either.. does usb-storage just not handle cd/dvd drives?
<8> _AxS_: Comparing portage with synaptic I can not see a ver big difference except the better performance and optimization in Gentoo (when the packages are built).
<8> very*
<4> mantono: synaptic? that ones new to me -- is it a binary distro?
<6> _AxS_: usb-storage does scsi emulation over the usb interface to IDE drives, so for an ATAPI cdrom, I have no clue what it does.
<8> _AxS_: synaptic = apt-get + gui, tough, I just use apt-get
<0> _AxS_: synaptic is and apt package manager
<4> say that again -- usb-storage does SCSI emulation to IDE? i thought it did SCSI emulation from USB? i didn't know IDE stuff was involved...
<6> _AxS_: I think the ATAPI cdrom is supposed to pretend to be IDE and the usb-storage makes it pretend to be scsi. so it should work. I think.
<4> ahh..
<10> the keyword is "should" ;)
<6> yup. should.
<4> mantono: yeah the problem (where it takes longer) is a year or more after you do your first installation, when you have to dist-upgrade to get what you want...
<6> _AxS_, Dion: oh, one more thing. I think there is a list of capabilities that are available in menuconfig for usb-storage. you need to pick the right one.
<8> _AxS_: I can understand that. But time consuming taskts like that can you while you are at school/work or similar...
<8> tasks*
<4> they're pretty device-specific those, usually have to do with CF readers and such..
<14> _AxS_: hmm, i just saw, that the console i ran crond from, is getting spammed with crond's output... So it would seem it wasn't launched... Any idea howcome I got crond at default startup, but it didn't launch ?
<15> Well. I recompiled my kernel to be absolutely sure framebuffer support would be enabled. However, the compilation of splashutils still shows that ugly error message. :(
<4> mantono: not when they break things and involve a bunch of careful changes...
<4> Profichilla: the emerge of splashutils shouldn't care if framebuffer support is in the kernel or not..
<4> that error occurs when you try and use it
<6> Dion, _AxS_: in menuconfig: USB -> Device Drivers -> USB support -> USB M*** Storage support -> Freecom USB/ATAPI Bridge support
<4> nanobanshee: aha! tnx! guess i didn't have enough coffee this morning
<4> (hopefully that driver is generic enough to work with any atapi device)
<15> _AxS_: Well. So I wouldn't have had to do this? Doesn't work, anyway. :/
<6> _AxS_: no promises, though. once you think it should all work, use cat /proc/bus/usb/devices , dmesg, cat /var/log/message, and lshw.
<4> CrashandDie: well, does messages say anything about it? if the init.d script failed it should be logged
<0> _AxS_: lsusb and usbview too
<4> nanobanshee: i can see the device in lsusb, but there's no /dev node ***igned so i figgured there must be an issue with usb-storage..
<4> (or similar)
<16> how do you find out when a new ver will be released for gentoo
<1> nanobanshee: thx. that one was deselected. I just started compiling
<0> _AxS_: Maybe udev hotplugging isn't picking it up?
<6> _AxS_: and cat /proc/bus/usb/devices ? lshw?
<16> i mean how do you find out when a new ver. of a app will be released for gentooo
<17> _AxS_: where would the vesafb be in the menuconfig I don't see it. I see VESA VGA support which is checked
<6> _AxS_: and the the device might not be in the hotplug tables.
<4> nanobanshee: lsusb > /proc/bus/usb -- more info, easier to get at. but it has the same stuff..
<10> [unknown]: emerge --sync and then emerge -s applicationname
<4> nanobanshee: yeah that could be -- latest udev though, figgured that would be generic enough to be there...?
<16> thx Zider
<18> [unknown]: release versions are mainly for the livecd. once installed, there is no real versionn..
<4> brif8: that's it, and then there should be an option right under it for 'VESA type' or something..
<4> brif8: oh, this is x86 right?
<17> yes
<4> 'k good
<17> VESA VGA Graphics Support has not menu for other options just checked , Module or nothing
<18> brif8: hit the ? do find out what it does....
<4> what's the option to get -tng, guys? i don't have access to an x86 system right now
<0> _AxS_: Is hotplug even running? check rc-update
<17> brianw: just talks about FB_VESA [=y] nothing on vesa-tng
<4> on my system? you bet
<4> DrChandra: plugging in a usb-key or a usb-floppy works just fine
<19> Quick distcc question: I have a server that hasn't been updated in quite a while, and a desktop that I'm going to use as the builder. Will very different glibc versions break anything?
<4> (usb-floppy ends up being /dev/sda and acting like a hdd, but whatever)
<6> _AxS_: usb-storage problem then. modprobe it and rmmod it and check dmesg.
<18> Skorgu: gcc is what needs to match
<4> Skorgu: yes
<20> Anyone in here got experience setting up a PPTP-server?
<4> brianw: different glibc isn't a problem?? i thought it was...
<6> _AxS_: zgrep USB_STORAGE /proc/config.gz and make sure the right stuff is compiled in.
<18> _AxS_: hmmn, I would get the whole toolchain matched up, but that is me
<19> the cross compilation guide http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/cross-compiling-distcc.xml doesn't say one way or another
<18> _AxS_: it may, but I know gcc *has* to be
<19> they're 3.4.5-r1 and 3.4.5, that should be close enough
<21> fresh installing dualboot gentoo/winxp - which order to install? can I do linux first, so that /boot is /dev/sda1?
<18> bob921: does not matter
<22> hello gentooers
<23> Anyone know how to use dd to extract the files from a HP driver disk?
<22> greetings TiCPU
<18> bob921: the only thing is this: if you install linux, then windows, you will need to fix the mbr w/ grub shell....
<4> Diezel: dd doesn't extract files per se.. you gotta mount it
<6> Diezel: mount it as FAT and cp them.
<14> _AxS_: /var/log/messages contains like 150k lines... Not easy to find something in that mess...
<22> bob921: or use the nt loader from there on...
<19> _AxS_:, brianw thanks alot
<24> hi!!
<24> alloo
<23> _AxS_: Thanks
<4> CrashandDie: grep is your friend.. :) cat /var/log/messages |grep -i cron
<18> Skorgu: good luck :)
<6> Diezel: emerge sys-fs/mtools
<18> _AxS_: just grep it :)
<24> hi
<4> yeah yea
<4> force of habit, that's how i learned..
<23> nanobanshee: Thanks
<24> helllo
<25> Hey, anyone know how I can print text on shell when I open it?
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