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<0> I'm trying to switch from win to linux, is gentoo a good "Starter Linux?"
<1> for windows and mac, i'm done
<2> I am trying to update kde (namely kde-libs), it returns an error about libstdc++.la.. ok so the fix is run fix_libtool_files.sh right.. what do you do when running fix_libtool_files.sh says no such command?
<1> all crosplatform installers cost alot
<3> patrik_mrx: all the programs i know that are cross platform (gimp, xchat, gnu utils, games...) have installers on windows, but on linux i use package managers to install them
<4> right now I have 4 drives, C D E and L, the L is the one I made last night which is empty, if I install linux in there, would it affect anything in the other drives?
<2> incidentally, I am using gcc-3.4.6
<5> Firztspawn: where is fix_libtool_files.sh located ?
<3> mozilla, qemu
<1> balrog-kun, yea, me too, but that is not duable here, in this case
<6> Firztspawn, run /sbin/fix_libtool_files.sh ?
<6> although would've thought /sbin/ wouldve been in your path :|
<5> Firztspawn: what Aeternus said
<5> Aeternus: if you are not root, doesn't work
<7> clragon: no
<2> Aeternus msid, it says this: -su: /sbin/fix_libtool_files.sh: No such file or directory
<4> awsome :D
<3> patrik_mrx: on windows you have the free installer generator, the most standard one
<4> so if the worst comes, I can always format
<3> InstallShield or somethign
<7> clragon: the only thing apart from that drive that may be affected is your boot loader, but your dual boot howtos would have told you that. linux boot loaders will happily start windows, and i'm told its possible to crowbar the windows one into booting linux so that's not a m***ive deal
<5> well Firztspawn is this file does not exist, i cannot help you
<6> Firztspawn, try "locate fix_libtool_files.sh" ?
<8> I can't run tv_grab_no from cron, does it need environments variables there?
<7> clragon: also, when you install linux on L:, windows won't see it any more since it won't have a windows filesystem anymore
<3> patrik_mrx: do you want your users to download the binary from a website and run the installer?
<3> it's much easier to type "emerge programname"
<1> balrog-kun, it's suppose to run from a cd
<6> /usr/portage/sys-devel/gcc/files/fix_libtool_files.sh <-- I also have it there... so...
<2> Aeternus: /sbin/fix_libtool_files.sh
<2> /usr/portage/sys-devel/gcc/files/fix_libtool_files.sh
<1> and be downloadable from the net
<4> does the computer automaticly go into dual boot after I install linux in L:? or do I have to set it somewhere?
<1> clragon, in your bootloader, lilo or grub
<6> Firztspawn, are your root?
<6> -r
<0> I'm trying to switch from win to linux, is gentoo a good "Starter Linux?"
<2> Aeternus: yes
<6> /sbin/fix_libtool_files.sh <-- and running that tells you it doesnt exist?
<9> clragon, you need to set up grub
<2> Aeternus: correct
<3> Red-Sox: probly nope
<10> Red-Sox: depends on your experience and expectations, but based on that as a starting question I'd say "probably not"
<7> clragon: it's one of the things you'll do during installation with gentoo. its in the handbook where it mentions boot loader, grub, lilo
<7> clragon: other distros have other methods of installing the boot loader, but the end effect is similar
<6> Firztspawn, ls -l /sbin/fix_libtool_files.sh and see what it says?
<11> NeddySeagoon: still no mail
<0> balrog-kun, kerframil Oh, thanks
<4> k, let me go read that part of the handbook
<10> Red-Sox: I'd suggest something like Ubuntu, SuSE or Mandriva instead (at least for now ;)
<9> Red-Sox, it depends if you want to learn about Linux or just use it
<6> or just try the other one - /usr/portage/sys-devel/gcc/files/fix_libtool_files.sh
<3> clragon: you need to configure a bootloader to be able to boot whatever OS
<7> Red-Sox: gentoo is the most configurable. that's generally not good for newbies, but some revel in the experience
<2> Aeternus: # ls -l /sbin/fix_libtool_files.sh
<2> LSD`_: /sbin/fix_libtool_files.sh: No such file or directory
<2> oops
<1> even windows alone has a bootloader...
<2> sorry LSD`_
<3> clragon: if you don't install any bootloader your computer will keep booting into Windows
<9> dracony, nothing I can ho to help that ...
<1> balrog-kun, i think i'll go with loki installer
<11> NeddySeagoon: what idiots did do that site
<12> im having a problem. my mouse isnt working. i cant find a /dev/ for it
<12> it a usbmouse and my keyboard works great, just nothing for my mouse
<4> so, what happens if I install gentoo and mess up grub so that it never boots into gentoo, and I can't format L: because my Windows can't see that drive? what would I do then?
<11> NeddySeagoon: they should also start taking money for registration :)
<3> patrik_mrx: gtk is rather popular, but i've never seen any program that uses an installer of this kind under unix
<9> dracony, I hope you used a one time only email address
<6> Firztspawn, I'm guessing you haven't updated your locate db in a while? (ie updatedb)... try /usr/portage/sys-devel/gcc/files/fix_libtool_files.sh
<7> clragon: throw in your gentoo boot cd, chroot into whatever state your system is in, and try installing the boot loader again
<13> evilx_: whats in xorg.conf ?
<11> clragon: windows will se the drive as unknown partition, you have to boot to dos, which is on livecd and change the disk to fat
<11> NeddySeagoon: nope
<1> balrog+kun, ut2004 does
<12> right now im tring to get it to work with gpm
<13> evilx_: try "cat /dev/psaux"
<2> Aeternus: # /usr/portage/sys-devel/gcc/files/fix_libtool_files.sh
<2> -su: /usr/portage/sys-devel/gcc/files/fix_libtool_files.sh: Permission denied
<4> o yea, my L: drive right now is in NTFS format, can gentoo be installed in there?
<13> evilx_: and move the mouse around
<14> lol
<3> clragon: no, you don't need to boot into dos or format anything
<12> did that
<12> even /dev/input/mice
<13> evilx_: did funny characters show up
<12> no
<7> clragon: not if you want to keep it ntfs.
<3> clragon: you can then boot gentoo using the grub from the cd, and install grub on you hd
<13> evilx_: did you install hotplug/coldplug ?
<3> clragon: or install grub right from the cd
<12> yes
<11> Firztspawn: you had to do chmod 777
<4> k
<12> there even started
<13> evilx_: and they are running?
<10> Firztspawn: are you root? if so, then run it prefixed with the "sh" command
<3> clragon: grub can be configured at runtime, eg. at the boot prompt
<7> clragon: you'll have to overwrite the ntfs with a linux filesystem, which is why windows won't see it (as L:) anymore. you'll still be able to see it in windows' disk manager control panel applet as an unknown partition or something
<10> dracony: um, marking files as world-writable isn't good advice in general ;)
<13> then try "tail -f /var/log/messages", and unplug your mouse, and plug it again. Then tell me which lines show up
<6> dracony, but if the file didn't have the execute bit set, then it'd give a permission denied error wouldn't it?
<10> drac: 755 would make more sense
<4> so should I get my laptop and have the handbook open while installing my desktop? and do every step exactly as it is on the handbook?
<6> oh
<6> oops
<6> I didn't realise he'd tried it and got that
<12> hold on
<11> kerframil: i never give good advices in general , but thy work, unlike 3km howtos
<6> ignore me :\
<12> im a moron
<2> kerframil: ok
<12> unplugging my monitor so much, i some how pulled the usb cord out of the computer for the mouse
<3> clragon: also, you can format partitions under ms windows even if they are unrecognised
<7> clragon: that would be an excellent idea. you'll have to change some of the commands slightly since you're not installing to the first partition on your first drive
<10> dracony: well I can't think of any rational response to a statement like that ;p
<11> Aeternus: yes you have to set that bit to, but it would give an error, i usually create .sh files with no bit changes
<15> where do I find libltdl.so.3.something ?
<16> house is on! channel 5!
<7> clragon: if you can have your laptop online while your desktop is doing its install, i'd recommend you stay here and ask us if you get stumped or worried
<17> is this: pl_PL.UTF-8/UTF-8 a proper line for /etc/locales.build?
<18> What do I type if I want to make /dev/fb0 a link to /dev/fb/0?
<4> I am reading this page : http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-x86.xml?part=1&chap=5 in code listing 1 it says # date, when do I do that? not in windows probably. . . during setup?
<2> Aeternus dracony kerframil : # sh /usr/portage/sys-devel/gcc/files/fix_libtool_files.sh 3.3.6
<2> * fix_libtool_files.sh: /lib/rcscripts/awk/fixlafiles.awk does not exist!
<13> pusling: libtool
<3> clragon: it's also possible to be online and reading the handbook at the same computer where the install is progressing and at the same time
<13> which which
<10> Firztspawn: I've seen this before (and also figured out how to fix it) but unfortunately I'm not on a gentoo system at the moment and can't check it out
<11> Firztspawn: so emerge libtool again
<3> even playing games
<19> openrpg woes -- I'm having problems with either wxpython or openrpg...could someone point me in the right direction? http://pastebin.com/644765
<20> Firztspawn: That file should be part of the gcc package.
<4> how are you guys doing the "clragon:" ? are you just typing that or is there a shorter way?
<7> clragon: # is the root prompt. it appears on your command line when you're logged in as administrator. the date command (on my machine anyway) prints out: Fri Apr 7 06:03:11 EST 2006
<3> clragon: most irc clients let you autocomplete many identifiers with <tab> after you type the initial letters
<3> nick, channel name, commands
<15> kale: thx ;)
<17> is this: pl_PL.UTF-8/UTF-8 a proper line for /etc/locales.build? is the case correct too?
<4> woah, I will have the command line BEFORE I install the actual Gentoo installation files?
<3> look good
<3> *looks good
<11> guys use the install script
<3> clragon: yup, the system you're booting from the cd, the one that contains the installer, is also Gentoo Linux
<11> !google gentoo install script
<21> http://glis.sourceforge.net/
<7> clragon: when you fire up the boot cd, it'll look vaguely similar to a "dos" prompt. but don't be fooled, you'll learn in time that a linux shell is vastly more powerful than the windows gui system
<22> hi, all. i've used sawfish without a desktop environment for two years now. i was thinking of switching to something more up to date, something that's being developed all the time (sawfish isn't maintained anymore). which is my best bet?
<12> now, time to figure out why X wont work
<22> i like light-weight, configurable wm's.
<23> hey, to build locales on gentoo, do I really have to rebuild glibc? or is there some faster way?
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