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<0> Sounds horrid :)
<1> So you see... ATI's drivers are closed source just like nVidia...
<1> only they ****
<1> REALLY REALLY BADLY
<2> but i do something wrong? besides using genkernel?
<3> SoulForge, language
<0> sorry
<4> im on a amd64 laptop with ati xpress 200m, works flawless (had to bounce my head to the wall a few times..) ,)
<5> GTswagger: they work better with directx
<1> likewhoa -- Which also ****s REALLY REALLY BADLY :D
<0> hehe
<5> GTswagger: agreed
<0> OpenGL all the way
<2> oh my sda4 partition is resiferfs however u spell it
<1> I honestly don't understand why ATI even claims to have Linux support
<5> GTswagger: ever heard of wildcat cards?
<1> I don't think there is A SINGLE ATI MOBILE CHIPSET that is supported right now. Crossfire and high end and all-in-wonder cards? Jesus couldn't make those work in Linux.
<1> likewhoa -- nope
<6> yes if you arent opposed to nvidia's licensing they are pretty nice
<5> GTswagger: i'm guessing you using nvidia now :P
<7> Hey, anyone here use AMD64 with flash and KDE? I can get konqueror to see the plugin (gplflash), but it SEGVs every time it tries to run a flash program, even with the command-line version.
<1> I think 95%+ of Linux users would happily take nVidia's binary over nothing.
<1> @ llucas
<8> What about old All-In-Wonder cards, I was thinking about putting Gentoo on my other desktop but TV Tuner support is a must
<4> well ati can only gett better, and the will. its their future thats on the line now...
<9> my ****ing ATI mobile wont work
<9> an laphop
<9> otherwise i wouldnt have it
<4> gvdm: language!
<6> GTswagger: more than you'd think are gpl or die
<0> thats pushing it Laggy_Boombastic
<10> I have an old AIW and it works
<8> SoulForge: I figured, but I'm always up for a challenge...
<11> on the subject of video cards
<8> I live for that sort of thing :)
<11> I'm considering getting a ThinkPad T60 this summer for college - there's only one problem:
<1> gvdm -- I helped a friend setup Gentoo on his HP notebook with an ATI mobile chipset... I got Xorg to work... and told him get out prayer beeds for 3D acceleration :D
<4> gvdm: i have just got my laptop to use fglrx...
<11> The GPUs are either Intel GMA 950 or ATI X1000-series.
<12> GTswagger: it works nicely here
<1> likewhoa -- here's my gfx (sorry for length, but I don't know xchat-xsys that well yet)
<1> os[Linux 2.6.15-gentoo-r1 i686] distro[Gentoo Base System version 1.6.14] cpu[2 x Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.80GHz @ 2.79GHz] mem[Physical : 1009MB, 9.5% free] disk[Total : 329.99GB, 64.90% Free] video[nVidia Corporation NV43 [GeForce 6600/GeForce 6600 GT]] sound[Audigy - Audigy 1 [SB0090]]
<6> GTswagger: it doesnt bother me, they make money by investing heavily into their technology, and work hard to provide excellent drivers
<6> GTswagger: so they can license as they choose imo
<10> my Radeon R100 QD works great
<2> oh yeah i forgot when i use no framebuffer i get errors
<1> dsb -- Highly generic/vanilla/common Radeon cards do work well in Linux... but that's still an overall grade of 'F' for Linux support for ATI
<10> GTswagger: tell me why I need a new video card?
<1> llucas -- I agree. They support Linux... and thus to some point me... so I make sure all boxes I update/build/repair for customers get a nVidia card
<6> GTswagger: good :)
<8> Mean Time to Failure on my portable laptop HDD: < 1 hour...
<1> dsb -- That Radeon won't be able to handle the very latest games... but it'll do for you for something like say Enemy Territory
<1> dsb -- if you don't game -- then you don't even need the Radeon one could argue
<6> GTswagger: I figure the day someone finds a way to make a competitively priced and performanced product with an open-source driver, i'll buy it
<10> oh, Im sorry are we in the gamer channel?
<6> GTswagger: till then, reward the one whose doing the most
<8> GTswagger: And do without OpenGL Screen Savers?!?
<1> Laggy_Boombastic -- lol! I do like my KDE fireworks screen saver
<10> but fwiw I can play game
<10> s
<5> GTswagger: i just got a quadro card on a dual mp system recently
<13> how do i bland a dvd from console?
<13> blank
<10> ok sure, I cant play these super fangled 3d games
<5> ufo: cdrecord --blank all
<14> Hi guys, anyone that have a good page for fvwm configs?
<1> dsb -- the only ATI cards that work well in Linux are older very vanilla and common Radeon cards ... which you happen to have. If you're a light gamer... it'll do great for you. But if you are playing recent games ... ATI simply won't hack it for you. Period. To get a card that can hack it means there will be ZERO support for Linux for that card.
<5> filleokus: check #fvwm
<14> ok
<12> GTswagger: if you're an avid gamer, get windows and stop bothering linux people
<12> GTswagger: it's as simple as that
<10> indeed
<6> gcc 4.1 anyone?
<5> lol Ticho so true
<5> llucas: gcc-4.1 here
<10> that was my point
<6> likewhoa: what version of binutils
<10> thanks Ticho
<8> I still keep a spare HDD with XP on it in my machine, for games and a few programs that I either can't do with out, or just don't want to not use...
<12> of course - it's just as stupid as trying to run unix app on windows natively
<1> Define avid. I'm no Robert Heron, that's for sure... but I do game a fair amount.. .and Linux does a great job with that if you use nVidia.
<5> llucas: let me check.. remote server
<5> llucas: 2.16.1-r1
<10> I game a fair amout too
<6> likewhoa: do you know much about medium model in gcc
<15> how small is the typicall gentoo minimal install?
<10> want to try some chess?
<1> How about Doom III or America's Army
<5> llucas: nah
<5> GTswagger: enemy-territory ut2004
<6> likewhoa: i am reading the changelog and it mentions needing 2.6.91 for medium model, which allows datasets over 4gb? or something along those lines
<5> GTswagger: got both those runnning on dedicated host
<10> how about real world army play?
<1> likewhoa -- play both... but only have demo of ut2004
<10> no game buddy
<5> llucas: ahh, dunno how well 2.6.91 is in portage. currently hard masked
<6> likewhoa: but im not clear on if its necessary if you wont have close to 4GB of mem (only have 1gb physical on this machine)
<12> GTswagger: by "avid gamer" people usually mean someone who plays way more games than those few commercials that got thrown at linux community
<5> llucas: try in a chroot first i say..
<5> llucas: you need 64bit for 4gig+ memory iirc
<6> likewhoa: hehe, to the final point of my question...it has a small bug. about 4 packages trigger it and fail
<6> likewhoa: ~amd64
<1> Ticho: Does XBox Linux count as an avid Linux gamer? :)
<16> hi
<5> llucas: file a bug report then :D
<15> hmm, noone knows?
<10> go play your xbox
<6> likewhoa: its known and ignored so far
<1> DukGalNamu -- roughly 4-6 GB
<15> ....
<1> DukGalNamu -- Can't give you a good idea, b/c I've used ccache with all my Gentoo installs... which eats (in my case) 2 GB
<5> llucas: what you get? a WONT FIX?
<5> llucas: maybe file upstream..
<15> GTswagger: umm an above minimal system takes less than 1.5 gigs
<6> likewhoa: mozilla triggered it initially but then ended up just working around in the package...upstream might be a good idea
<10> what the...
<16> somebody have already tried gcc 4.1.0 here ?
<5> PtitGNU: yes
<10> am I in the wrong channel?
<1> DukGalNamu --- 1.5 GB + 2 GB ccache + a few packages that are automerged b/c of the USE flags I set ... yea... you're looking at 4 to 6 GB if you run an emerge -uD --newuse world like I do before booting up
<6> likewhoa: id like to verify 2.16.1 can be used on >4GB machines but the documention on the medium model business is thin and im a gcc dummy
<5> PtitGNU: running 4.1.0_beta20060203, but use at own risk, and don't file bugs unless you have patches :P
<10> likewhoa
<5> dsb
<1> dsb -- It was a hypothetical question mr. real life army man
<16> likewhoa: and do you have some compilation problems or it works out of the box ?
<6> Ptit: been running previews and just compiled release
<5> PtitGNU: actually bootstrapped with it on a chroot w/o problems..
<6> PtitGNU: if you use it with binutils 2.6.91, which is required for certain features, a few packages are broken
<6> PtitGNU: it appears to work cleanly with stable binutils
<17> whats a good p2p mp3 tool?
<10> whoa, thats a huge upgrade to 4.1.0, Im still working on my 3.4.something
<18> kos: limewire
<6> dsb: its actually not so much...its much better than the early 4.0.x series which ****ed badly
<16> I'm currently using binutils 2.16.1-r2 and gcc 4.0.2 without problems but I'm installing a new gentoo for a friend and I'm hesitating within 4.0.2 and 4.1.0 (don't want to recompile world in one week :p)
<18> PtitGNU: how about giving your friend the gift of a stable system :P
<10> but what about rev rebuild something or another on the libc++ libraries
<17> how do u emerge something without pulling the dependencies?
<5> kos: emerge -1 foo
<16> moreon: gcc 4.0.2 is stable for me but I don't know about 4.1.0
<6> dsb: not needed from 3.4 to up
<18> kos: --nodeps but then the program is unlikely to work :P
<18> likewhoa: -1 is --oneshot, isn't it?
<5> i mean --nodeps
<5> -O
<5> moreon: get them confuse sometimes..
<10> Ive been doing -oneshot for a few days now, I dont think thats enough
<17> moreon, no problem, im doing a fetchonly
<10> we need more shots!
<10> adios amigos!
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