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<0> and it boggles my mind that anyone but people that lived through the 1920s use it
<1> is it possible to have two mice and only use xmodmap on one?
<0> evillase: undoubtedly
<2> reisio: I very rare;y use it
<3> ok
<3> motif looks like crap
<4> SimAtWork: I feel your pain.
<3> who uses this?
<2> reisio: mostly because certain apps are written with motif in mind (think suport for older solaris incarnations etc)
<5> motif is like qt, only old
<2> mbishop: I think motif is marginally better
<4> old? rather "pre-historic"
<5> oh snap!
<4> and I feel sorry for insulting the poor dinosaurs like that
<3> mbishop: based on what i've seen on motif it is nothing like qt
<3> how is it like qt?
<6> heh
<2> SimAtWork: it doesn't work properly, and it's poorly designed.
<2> :)
<6> mbishop, and you called /me/ negative nancy
<3> you find qt poorly designed?
<6> this whole channel is stomping
<5> kojiro: :P
<3> johnm: can you site an example?
<5> cite*
<2> SimAtWork: of which? :)
<3> is it cite?
<6> it is
<3> johnm: of why qt is poorlydesigned
<3> i see no design flaws
<6> hahahaha
<7> I'm saving that one
<2> SimAtWork: are you talking visibly, or were you paid to say that?
<6> wait... the more I'm paid the more design flaws I see
<8> hi.. i just tried to "emerge kde" (3.5.1) kdelibs went fine but kdebase gives me "you need to install kdelibs first" and something like "If you did install kdelibs, then the Qt version that is picked up......." .. whats wrong?
<6> does it work the other way around?
<2> kojiro: generally :)
<3> johnm: what is wrong with qt?
<3> please tell me
<2> kojiro: except paid becomes bribed, and see becomes hide.
<3> cause i think it's the cat's meow.
<6> johnm, I guess it depends one whether you're in development or marketing :-)
<2> SimAtWork: some people love it, but I feel like the actual qt framework is just shoddy.
<7> I think htf+ is better than Qt, is this a widely accepted opinion?
<7> err, gtk :)
<3> i feel gtk leaves much to be desired
<2> SimAtWork: visually, it isn't too bad. The API isn't appauling, but the actual way in which it works is just rotten
<3> working with gtk was a pain.
<7> I like it's simplicity, even just a basic user as mysqlf.
<3> johnm: you don't like slots and signals?
<9> Has anyone ever installed or try to install Urchin on Gentoo?
<2> SimAtWork: not particularly slots, but there is a lot more to it than that :)
<10> what's an urchin
<11> Lives in the ocean i think.
<7> A sea animal I think.
<3> johnm: but surely slots and signals is at the core of qt.
<3> johnm: i'm just curious what's bad about it, at least in your opinion.
<3> i mean, maybe i'm blind to it some how.
<3> it wouldn't be the first time!
<6> an urchin is also a derogatory term for a small child
<6> especially one without proper guidance
<9> kojiro: Urchin is also a software Application
<3> urchin's taste good
<4> man
<6> SkramX, any random combination of letters is probably a software application :-)
<4> stupid segmentation faults
<3> user00265: if you are getting a lot of segmentation faults you've probably done something very stupid
<3> user00265: or your hardwrae is failng.
<6> CFLAGS="-fsegfault"
<4> SimAtWork: just that app i mentioned earlier... I really want it to work... but seems like it doesn't like some of my filenames
<3> user00265: -O3 is quite often the culprit.
<4> and writing a bash script to replace those ugly characters will be the end of me
<3> user00265: rename the files and try again?
<6> what actually happens when you use -0 instead of -O?
<3> kojiro: i think nothing
<3> it'd either be ignored and just not compile anything till you fix it
<12> I use ext2 and ext3, so should I enable support for others like ReiserFS, JBD, and others?
<13> ifirit, is there a way to put back up pointer for my kernel image in Grub?
<3> cyrillic: not unless you plan on having removable media that uses reisfs etc.
<12> I don't plan on that, thanks
<3> cyrillic: usually if i'm thinking "strong maybe" i compile as a module.
<11> Anyone have advice for: "Cannot resolve virtual package name to an ebuild. !!!!This is a bug please report it" When I run emerge sync.
<3> sw4qw: report it
<11> Yeah, but what good does that do me.
<14> tek_mage, If you do make install the previous kernel will be called bzimage-someversion.old.
<15> guys i have recompiled kernel again
<16> how much space does it take to emerge and compile xorg-x11?
<1> is there a way to use xmodmap on a usb mouse but not have it mess with a touchpad?
<15> now i get thsi: <0> not syncing attempting to kill init
<14> tek_mage, or copy and rename it and make another enty in grub
<17> for some reason kde isn't starting, only twm... i set Xsession to KDE in the rc.conf file
<15> how do i fix it?
<3> Inssomniak: dunn about compile but emerge --pretend should tellyou total size of downloads
<2> SimAtWork: gouing back to that qt gtk arguement.. (sorry im doing a few things)
<15> <0> not syncing attempting to kill init
<13> ifirit, i did it manualy
<6> DukGalNamu, you have to set it to a specific version of kde
<15> what does it mean
<3> johnm: it's ok, me too :)
<6> DukGalNamu, kde is slotted
<13> ifirit, ok so make a 2nd kernel entry
<2> SimAtWork: both work of slots and signals anyways, and I have to give it to qt when it comes to code-reuse. but the big killer for me is the shear (and unneccessary) bloat around qt qhich makes some of the more simplistic routines sluggish and slow
<16> SimAtWork, I was emerging xorg-x11 it failed halfway thru disk full, it was using 500 megs duriung emerge
<15> please help
<2> SimAtWork: it has a pretty huge memory footprint
<17> kojiro: so i have to go back into rc.conf and specify the version? do i use a space to specify or all one word
<15> <0> not syncing attempting to kill init
<3> johnm: yes, that it does. But it also does a whole heck of a lot.
<14> tek_mage, then copy and remame it to, for example: vmlinuz-2.6.15-rc5.working and another enty in grub
<6> DukGalNamu, usually something like 'kde-3.4.3'
<2> SimAtWork: but - so does gtk :)
<17> kojiro: k, thanks
<15> maybe i have to recompile with other optiones?
<3> johnm: gtk doesn't really compare and still has a pretty big foot print.
<2> SimAtWork: realistically, it comes down to preference not cycles.
<13> ifirit, ok i think i got it
<3> johnm: but that's not really a flaw then.
<15> does anyone have any idea?
<6> wow/that/was/a/really/long/mask
<18> Is there some way to tell portage that version 0.9.6 is greater than 20050930 in a specific case?
<5> overkill for that kind of stuff... pyGTK and gtk2-perl don't have that restriction however :)
<6> johey, /etc/portage/package.mask
<15> can someone guide me?
<18> kojiro: A-ha!
<15> my coldplug gives errors
<6> johey, try something like ">apps-emul/wine-200"
<6> ;-)
<19> my machine doesnt boot from the disk :(
<18> kojiro: How could you know? ;)
<3> mbishop: pyqt is so much better to work with than pygtk
<6> johey, common problem :-)
<20> kojiro: i have done the "echo ..." command to start kde and it worked well, and then I continued reading http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/kde-config.xml I followed the instructions of the "Graphical Login" part. And now, when i start pc, it directly starts that ugly screen again instead of starting kde
<2> SimAtWork: I strongly dislike qt for it's immense bloat, historically poor decisions, and sluggish behaviour. especially on fixed-point archs
<3> same with perl + qt bindings vs perl + gtk bindings.
<19> i just finish with the gentoo install
<6> wwp, ugly screen?
<5> SimAtWork: really? I like pyGTK, *shrug*
<3> johnm: it's not much bigger than gnome though.
<2> mbishop: the same argument goes for qt+c iirc.
<6> wwp, does /etc/rc.conf contain any reference to kdm?
<8> hm kde 3.5.1 upgrade from 3.5.0 is broken here... the uic in configure segfaults due to "kdepimwidgets.so" .. when i move the file the uic command works...
<15> can someone hlp?
<20> three windows, framed green
<2> SimAtWork: gnome, or gtk?
<20> a console
<3> johnm: well, gtk.
<6> wwp, you probably need to configure /etc/rc.conf
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