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<0> so, again, anyone good at troubleshooting video? the gentoo live cd doesn't detect my video properly
<1> RiverRat, should I try X -configure?
<2> how long time do you guys think #genkernel all takes on a XP 2600 ?.. time to sleep or not
<3> JoeyJoeJo: After you emerge it the source will be in /var/tmp/portage/<package-name>
<3> btl: What graphics card do you have?
<4> Uruz7: no. a simple question isn't starting a fight.
<0> anyone know how to at least start the command line installer from the gentoo live cd?
<0> from the command line?
<5> RiverRat: thats what I thought, but it was empty
<6> what do you mean? nate_
<7> SuperLag: in the projects, when someone asks what's funny it's time to fight
<0> preist, there is a command-line installer on the live cd
<0> preist, that is similar to the graphical one
<3> JoeyJoeJo: Change you file like I told you to and re-emerge it, it'll be there.
<5> yeah, thats what I'm doing now
<7> vocal tones can't be heard in chat :)
<5> thanks for your help
<6> nate_, no there is a basic console and a huge handbook
<0> preist, go download the 2006.0 live cd
<6> i have it.
<0> NOT the minimal cd
<0> or universal
<0> or packages
<6> nate_, it's in my cdrom now
<8> Uruz7: you said "haha" after someone said they were having trouble...now that seems rather trollish and rude, so by asking you what was so funny he was giving you an opportunity to explain how you weren't being trollish or rude.
<0> preist, there is a graphical installer included
<6> i have a good internet connectino so i don't mind downloading them
<6> where?
<0> preist, on the freakin desktop
<6> nate_, you mean gentoo has a graphical install just like the other distros (fedora, mandriva, ubuntu..etc)?
<7> blackace: it didn't seem like he was asking for help, more of just a statement
<0> preist, yes, just with the new release
<0> preist, http://bouncer.gentoo.org/?product=gentoo-2006.0-livecd&os=x86
<9> everyone is calling it the GLI
<9> some say gli
<8> Uruz7: so did you say that just to pick a fight or did it just look like that to everyone else?
<0> preist, i think they borrowed it from the gentoo-based RR4 linux distro
<10> gentoo having a graphical installer makes me sad
<11> The command line GLI seems to be much better behaved than the GUI one...
<0> n17ikh|Lappy, lol
<10> you shouldn't install gentoo if you need a GUI to do it
<12> ok i'm about to set my 4 hard drives in a raid 5 setup. there appear to be two ways to do this: software and winRAID (takes advantage of the "pseudo-hardware" RAID controller on my mobo.) do you think the winRAID option will provide a performance gain (relieve my cpu of extra work)?
<7> blackace: say haha?
<9> indeed
<0> n17ikh|Lappy, need and want are two very different things, i don't NEEED a gui, but i sure would like an easier install process
<10> stephelton-lapto: not enough to wrangle with what sounds like horrible driver issues
<7> blackace, otherguy: this convo is over. I have stuff to do
<0> n17ikh|Lappy, and if the gui gives me an easier process, so be it
<13> n17ikh|Lappy thats not fair...
<6> nate_, i just hope they have a sparc version
<0> preist, there isn't
<9> its politics
<13> I know lots of people who would love to use it
<8> preist: not yet anyways
<9> too many ubuntuers?
<13> but dont have the desire to sit down and punch in abunch of commands
<1> RiverRat, got it! just had to change the driver it used, tried X -configure and it picked it up (using "nv" instead of "vesa")
<1> thanks for the advice! :)
<8> Uruz7: just mind your manners in future, don't laugh at people who despair.
<10> stephelton-lapto: I know someone with software raid5 who gets about 80MB/sec at 2 percent CPU, and not really a fast CPU
<0> preist, but down the road they'll probably have one
<12> n17ikh|Lappy, hmmmm ok... i won't be running windows so it's purely a decision of performance
<11> I loved Gentoo a couple yrs ago but it is not something you would want to help friends with unless they are really into it...
<10> well, I meant that anything with "WIN" in the name + linux = noes
<10> e.g. winmodem
<12> n17ikh|Lappy, =P i just got a dual core athlon 64, i'm thinking that won't ever be an issue =P
<10> like it probably needs some sort of special driver layer in windows
<3> btl: It will get even faster if you use nvidia
<6> nate_, not yet, you're right..
<10> yeah, just use mdadm and raidtools
<14> Wonderbird: been doing gentoo since the first release, which didn't have an iso. I've helped a lot of friends with it, even ones who'd never done *nix. All they need is patience with themselves and a desire to learn.
<9> I think gentoo requires a good deal of how to work with linux/unix at the cli level
<0> so, anyone wanna help me debug these video issues with the live cd?
<0> don't all jump at once now
<12> n17ikh|Lappy, thank you for making that point... i'll go with the typical software raid setup
<10> speaking of raid and driver issues
<10> anyone want a raid card that performs horribly in linux? :(
<14> dsb: not really. It just requires being willing to read and try to understand what's been read.
<10> stupid Promise
<9> but the problem with these new fangled distros is that they take away the cli experience
<0> dsb, the cli experience + typical user = no dice
<0> so it's not a problem, it's a feature
<12> n17ikh|Lappy, had similar concerns about my ati card )=
<11> I still like the idea sf doing P2P for Portage... (Think BitTorrent meets Gentoo)
<9> Isky, how do you configure a gentoo system to use emerge without cli
<10> P2P for portage? sounds interesting
<10> but leave the normal http and ftp and rsync mirrors
<4> Isky: you're ornery.
<0> ick, p2p for portage sounds nasty
<13> hn: you there?
<10> I have a 100mbit connection to the internet but I don't get but about 10KB/sec in any sort of P2P due to packet shaping
<10> so that would be impractical if it were all there was
<11> DSB: There was a pretty good KDE interface to portage a couple yrs back...
<9> a couple years back
<13> Wonderbird, there still is
<13> Kuroo
<14> dsb: I'm just saying.. cli isn't this awful scary thing. All it takes is showing someone that, and they are set. I remember when everything about computers was scary for most people.. heck, it still is. All it takes is being kind and helping out, and they will learn.
<13> there is a great gtk based one as well
<13> porhole
<14> superlag: no, I'm honest.... well, I am ornery, but I'm not being so right now.
<13> I have used both
<9> Isky, no cli is not an awful scary thing, I think is quite wonderful
<11> Lappy: Azareus lets you choose your own ports...
<14> dsb: and actually, there are gui packages that are front ends for emerge... but the system still has to be built first.
<4> Isky: I wasn't making reference to anything said in the channel. Just you. :)
<9> but Im saying these new distros take that experience away
<0> Isky, the normal user does not want a command line, hence the popularity of windows
<13> although I would say that porthole is much more advanced, but kuroo is easier to use
<9> ask a new unbuntu user to do some cli commands
<14> nate_: that's not really true. they dealt with DOS fine back in the day. The normal user just doesn't know any better.
<0> Isky, the normal user dealt with DOS but preferred graphical interfaces
<13> dsb, ubuntu is not intended for the power user like gentooers
<14> dsb: Do you remember Progeny?
<14> dsb: those dists have been around a long time.
<9> thats what Im saying
<0> Isky, notice once a decent graphical interface was offered everyone hopped on it like starving fat people on a doughnut shop
<13> I used it for about 15 mins
<13> :p
<13> I installed it, and then formated again
<13> reinstalled gentoo
<14> dsb: how about stormix? they aren't "new fangled" .. some prople prefer one thing, some another. That's life. That's the beauty of Linux. We can have it either way.
<9> I was fortunate enough to learn unix before I even heard of linux
<13> I was not so lucky
<9> well not learn all of it, give me a break
<14> nate_: lol, and I hear many sighing for the old days of DOS every time they see that blue screen.
<11> Even old dos users prefer "copy sourcefile destfile" to... How DO you do that in Windows????
<13> I started on linux about a year and a half ago
<13> Wonderbird, that command still works in the windows command line
<0> Isky, well, those that remember the old days of DOS.
<6> beatryder, that's cool.
<9> ah hold on, I think I still have the cd that has original slack and redhat
<9> brb
<14> nate_: that's true.
<0> Isky, and only sometimes
<13> the windows command line for the most part is a joke
<14> eh. It's more or less DOS.
<15> hey does anyone think this is a bit too random for a friends bday? im too cheap to buy a present http://www.apcsolutions.us/patria.html
<0> Isky, see, you have to weigh the two, and the advantages to a graphical interface for the average user far outweigh the downsides
<14> Anyways. I'll stop preaching. =)
<13> I have lost count of how many times I have seen " c:\>ls Bad command or filename"
<13> :p
<14> I'll just end on this note... I love you, Gentoo!
<16> beatryder: yes, me too :p
<9> ok, the cd is still stuck in the books page cover of plastic, slackware 3.0
<13> I always do that
<13> I fix PC's for spare cash
<13> and I always open cmd
<6> nate_, i'm the preist...
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