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<0> billatq: tell someone at HP's laptop support department to get the support technicians out of india and not tell me I have to pay for hardware support because I'm using Linx
<0> Linux
<1> Ugh
<1> Yeah, I hate HP's support
<2> IBM <3 Linux
<1> Cae: Well, we less-than-three Linux too, it's just that it's kind of weird
<2> heh
<1> The support people in india for consumer products just ****
<1> I spent hours trying to get something resolved one time before I broke down and e-mailed a vice president
<0> billatq: did that help?
<2> when did it get to be 5..
<1> SimGuy: Yeah, but it shouldnt' have to be that way
<0> 59 minutes from now
<1> SimGuy: What the problem?
<3> I have 1702
<2> ditto
<3> SimGuy is in some sort of lame time zone
<0> billatq: a battery isn't working properly
<1> Ah
<1> Sometimes I just lie.
<0> want to get it replaced... they are insisting that I do extensive useless tests to make sure it's really working the way I've observed it working
<1> Thing is that there are some real open source initiatives in the company, but they're still incubating
<1> Because the product teams are different from the open source teams
<2> IBM has a *lot* of open source initiatives
<1> And are kind of sketchy about cooperating between the company
<1> So OSLO can't even get linux drivers for the laptops because PSG isn't giving them up
<0> Paco-Paco: I'd like very much to have no time zones to worry about it
<1> SimGuy: Just use UTC :)
<0> billatq: I'd still have to convert it all the time for actually talking to people
<1> Cae: But there's talk that lenovo's not going to support stuff like the thinkpads as well
<2> Lenovo is technically not IBM
<3> the whole world should just use UTC
<3> I don't know why people think they have to go to work at 9 and come home at 5
<0> Paco-Paco: I work 1 to 9 anyway
<4> what option do i need to p*** ./configure to get x idle time working with the latest svn gaim trunk?
<1> Cae: Oh, I know they're not. It's just ****y because they made a big deal about having good support
<5> bderrly: none. you just have to have the right libraries
<4> libx11-dev or somesuch for debian/ubuntu i would imagine?
<5> I don't know what the new name for the library in question is
<1> Heh, I'd sure like everything to operate most of the day, except for a short time locally when things are closed
<5> it changed with the x.org stuff
<4> well, i've got libx11-dev so it must not be that...
<4> hrmm, i'll keep looking
<5> libxss1
<3> bderrly: you don't, and don't use svn
<4> Paco-Paco, why no on the svn?
<2> bderrly: because you're asking for support, it's unstable, we don't support it, and you clearly can't read the topic
<3> what Cae said
<4> i'm not asking for support, i'm asking how the hell to enable the x usage reporting...it is the same as if i were compiling 1.5
<2> that is support
<4> haha
<4> ooh, oops
<4> i apologize...i'm trying to compile 1.5 and need help getting x usage idle reporting to work
<0> bderrly: well, try that and if you have problems there, let us know
<0> or try 2.0.0beta3 if you like
<4> is this is a support channel or no?
<4> i mean c'mon that was a pretty pathetic show a few minutes ago...i've been using gaim cvs for God knows how many years without asking for support...i have a quick question about configuring and i get the n00b response
<6> this is a development channel, but cvs/svn isn't supported.
<6> Neither is Gentoo
<4> who said anything about gentoo?
<7> ForlornPenguin did
<4> haha
<4> you guys are really pat
<4> pathetic
<2> I'm not pat either.
<2> Pat drinks more than me.
<1> Heh
<2> and is, well, male.
<2> unless we're referring to SNL Pat. in which case, Pat is more...it..
<1> Cae: Ssshh, everybody knows there aren't any girls on the internet
<2> billatq: oh right. I'm actually a 58 year old male.
<1> Heh, that's better
<2> welp, I'm going home. have fun
<5> take care Cae, have a good evening
<2> you too :)
<1> later
<8> the patch worked
<8> how about that
<9> bleeter doesn't hang out here anymore, does he?
<10> not really..
<10> he disapeard
<3> man it just cooled like 10 degrees here
<3> nice
<10> I got my ac cranked in my room =)
<3> I've been avoiding the AC
<3> because I'm poor
<10> I had to sleep with extra blankets last night because it was so cold
<3> so the less I run the AC, the sooner I can buy a gun
<10> Mmmm'guns
<9> it's in the 30's and 40's at night in NZ these days. (in Fahrenheit for you non-metrics)
<9> and last week, we had a nice refreshing snowstorm to knock out the center of each island
<3> we're having a summer storm
<3> because we're not upside-down
<10> its been raining out here for the past month
<10> we've only had a week of nice weather where it wasn't raining
<1> Heh, it's in the upper 90's over here
<1> Well degF
<1> It's aboot 32 degC over here
<3> wow, binreloc is *really* expensive at startup
<3> ... and it's because br_strndup is *really* bad
<1> Paco-Paco: Profiling gaim?
<3> yeah, I'm looking at what ForlornPenguin has done
<3> he's made the blist a ton better
<3> binreloc is such a pile of ***
<3> I can't believe they claim it's reliable, when it looks like a monkey wrote it
<9> sweet he actually worked on it. I was getting the impression the other day that he was all talk. like that zbowling guy from a year ago
<3> no, he's been working on it in a branch
<3> and while the number of LOC changed isn't that huge, it's made a big difference in blist overhead so far
<9> so you'll have one less thing to complain about. not to worry, there'll always be the plugin stuff ;-)
<3> and binreloc
<9> ah yeah, that puts things back in balance
<1> Heh
<1> Yeah, I was kind of wondering why it seems to take so long to load
<1> But then I got more machine muscle :)
<3> it was taking forever because our blist updates were *really* inefficient
<3> they're much better now
<11> Was there anyone working on the memory footprint?
<3> Aaron is going to look at that, too, as time permits
<11> Nice, that needs some serious help.
<3> he's basically tackling the things that look like the biggest short-term wins one at a time
<3> which is the best way to do optimization
<11> aye
<1> right
<1> Premature optimization is the root of all evil :)
<9> maybe you can nick the little 'Memory Usage' dialog from inkscape
<9> it's great at showing useless information.
<9> Paco-Paco: know much about pmap?
<3> some, what do you want to know?
<9> you seem to have an opinion on almost everything, so I'm wondering how dead it is to you
<3> heh it's not
<3> it falls in with strace under "tools that are less useful than a lot of people think", but in the right place it's pretty useful
<3> (not as useful as strace)
<1> Yeah, I was going to say
<1> strace is handy
<1> Not super handy, but fairly handy
<9> looks like pstack is relatively useless tho
<3> strace is handy, but a lot of people want to get an strace instead of a backtrace when something crashes
<3> which is nearly always next to useless
<3> I don't have a pstack
<9> it should be about as good as "gdb /path/to/app pid" + "info threads" + "thread apply x bt"
<9> but it's not
<12> I am having problems with one of my aim accounts in gaim
<12> xijio (AIM/ICQ) was disconnected due to an error: You have been connecting and disconnecting too frequently. Wait ten minutes and try again. If you continue to try, you will need to wait even longer.
<12> my other aim account and my icq account work fine
<1> Now this is just a guess
<1> But you haven't been reconnecting a lot, have you?
<12> no
<12> I try to connect and then am on for a few minutes and then disconected
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